Richard Frederick says security minister appears hasty to prosecute ORC cops

By SNO Staff

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Frederick during his show on Thursday

(SNO) — Lawyer and former government minister Richard Frederick said it appears National Security Minister Hermangild Francis has a “burning desire” to prosecute police officers accused of extrajudicial killings during the 2010/2011 Operation Restore Confidence (ORC).

Frederick made the comment on Thursday evening, Nov. 8 on his weekly live  talk show ‘Can I Help You’ on MBC TV.

The now-notorious operation was held to contain a crime wave and was led by the Royal Saint Lucia Police Force. Following the operation, members of the force were accused of extrajudicial killings and the United States imposed the Leahy Law on the island which isolates foreign security agencies accused of human rights abuses from receiving US-sponsored military assistance.

Francis, a former police officer, had told HTS that the decision to prosecute was made after he spoke with the United States Undersecretary of Defense and brought up the constraint the Leahy Law has had on Saint Lucia.

“I told him everything that the government has done so far to show that we are serious about dealing with those matters,” he told News4orce. “And what I gathered was that the only thing that is going to suffice is that we have prosecution.”

The security minister also blamed locals for the imposition of the Leahy Law by the US.

Frederick, who is also a former police officer, said on his show Thursday that he agrees with Francis that “there were persons who went to the [U.S.] embassy to both do personal and national damage” but he does not agree with what appears to be Francis’s “burning desire to prosecute some police officers”.

“You know, there seem to be a desire to haul police officers before the courts,” Frederick said.

The former minister said he believes in justice but not at the expense of the innocent.

“Now folks I have said time and time again, and I will repeat, anyone, anyone, including me, anyone, if you’ve done the crime be prepared to do the time, full stop, full stop,” he said, adding, “But what I don’t agree with though, is that having someone to be taken before the court just for dragging them before the courts sake, or to have an innocent man being punished without justification, or for something he has not done.

“There is no doubt folks that our police officers are a sub-set of our locals. They are selected, not from people who lived in Taiwan or China — although I suspect that’s coming soon, there is a police force in Africa that has a Chinese chief now — but they are selected from among us. So in terms of their characteristics, traits, their mode of thinking and everything else, they are like us… so as anything else you will get some good cops and you would have some bad cops..

“I will go further to say there are many, many more good cops than bad ones, and it’s a fact, and it is the few bad ones, the few bad eggs that generally give the police force a bad image.

“In fact, is it enough to prosecute anybody, let alone a police officer, simply on the basis that they are perceived to be a bad man? Do you haul somebody before the court because there is a perception that that person is a bad man or a bad person? So do you take a police officer before the court on the basis that he’s a bad officer and he may have done something?”

Frederick said he was surprised when he heard Francis, who is also a lawyer, state that officers have to be prosecuted.

“You see when I heard Hermangild saying that… the officers that were the subject matter of the investigation, the IMPACS investigation, had to be prosecuted, I said ‘wait but to me Hermangild has a law degree’, because to say that somebody must be prosecuted is to presuppose, one, that they committed a crime and two, there is evidence and substantiation of the allegation that they committed a crime.”

Frederick went on to compare the scenario with the famous 1995 OJ Simpson trial where the former actor, athlete and broadcaster was acquitted of murdering his ex-wife and her friend because his hand could not fit in the killer’s glove.

“So my point is if there is evidence that any police officer did anything wrong, I would be the first to say let the chips fall where they may. Charge him or her like you would charge anybody else. If any police officer committed any crime and there is evidence and substantiation, he or she ought to be treated like an ordinary citizen. If any police officer took the lives of other citizens of this country without justification and there is evidence to substantiate that, jail them, take them before the courts and jail them,” he emphasized.

He went on to say that it appears in the IMPACS situation that “if there is no evidence, evidence has to be found somewhere”. He then referred to the Oct. 29, 2018 murder of Kimberly De Leon, the wife of the senior police officer, who is a person of interest in the case, and is reportedly on 100 days vacation leave.

“His wife was killed, he was simply labeled a person of interest but then it was presumed that the evidence was insufficient to form the basis for preferring a charge against him. Where is he now? On vacation. A person of interest on vacation,” Frederick said, closing out with a laugh.

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7 comments

  1. Richard,you know,you know,I want a full discussion on impacts,I will tell you I smelled it coming,from the Opposition platform,when it was suggested that "when we get back in power, we will re open investigations into all the police shootings of ORC ,the task force is a hastily put team assigned to take care if criminals in the ccity to make the MP look good,now who was that MP,who left St Lucia to tell the Americans Richard?Who sent them? Are those persons retired,displaced,silent,lying low,waiting to re emerge...Can you help us with answers Richard?Can that MP be found?Who were those Opposition men,who ordered all that set up?Where were you then Richard, do you recall?

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  2. Richard Frederick :“Now folks I have said time and time again, and I will repeat, anyone, anyone, including me, anyone, if you’ve done the crime be prepared to do the time, full stop, full stop.”

    We say: "You first, Richard. You first. Full stop. Full stop."

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  3. Hey Richard. Never watched your show as I am trying to preserve whatever intelligence that I have. However, I come across some of your sayings now and again. I do agree there are many issues in this country that can be fixed by lessened corruption. I don't have the wealth or legal expertise that you have. I'm hoping you can serve as proper leader and use your wealth and expertise to help fix some of the issues we having. Since our police are suffering from the Leahy Law. Why not make some donations to them. After all you were once a cop and you know how grossly underfunded the RSLPF is. You can also use your knowledge of the law to help train them. What say you Richard?

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  4. RF, I'm wondering who are the corrupt business men and politicians that were mention in the address to the nation by KDA on the impacs report?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lIoiHdmjSA

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  5. I would like to know why Richard would think that Hermangild would want to prosecute police officers and not think that for Kenny Anthony. Remember it was Kenny who first brought the news that the Americans were not satisfied with our justice system, and he was also the one who changed legislation to create IMPACS. He still went further and dilly dalied by not making the evidence after 3 years available to the DPP and did not prosecute 5 years after IMPACS. Also remember that Kenny publicly said that he had received the report and his cabinet had reviewed and edited it. Yet the report and the evidence was not made available to the DPP. If we remember clearly he also said that he did not trust the DPP and thats why the evidence was not transmitted. Further, when things became a little more unbearable he delivered the report without evidence and said that the evidence was in Jamaica?

    So tell me is that proper procedural ethics when it comes to the handling of a potential criminal case which has so much bearing on the future of the country? Stop being fooled. Those who listen to Richard are those who find comfort in defending Kenny Anthony for whatever reason.

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  6. So you see that Richard doesn't offer any education to the ordinary St. Lucian. Hermangild never said that there SHOULD be prosecution. Enough with the "fake news," he said that is what i thinks that the Americans want. Even the headline reads that "Richard Frederick says security minister appears hasty to prosecute ORC cops," meaning that it is Frederick's opinion.

    But what evidence does Frederick offer in support of his opinion that that is the direction that Hermangild personally prefers or would take? Frederick now makes a false statement "You see when I heard Hermangild saying that… the officers that were the subject matter of the investigation, the IMPACS investigation, had to be prosecuted, I said ‘wait but to me Hermangild has a law degree’, because to say that somebody must be prosecuted is to presuppose, one, that they committed a crime and two, there is evidence and substantiation of the allegation that they committed a crime.”

    Now as we have already said Hermangild NEVER said that the police officers had to be prosecuted, he said that is apparently what the US wants. So you see how politicians attach false statements to people? Besides Frederick made no mention of the creator of the IMPACS situation Dr. Kenny Anthony. He carefully avoided blaming him for bringing St. Lucia's Justice system into disrepute by creating some un-resolvable issues, however he is quick to point out or even blame people who went to the US embassy to complain. So who are these people Richard?

    Now i would like to see more fact checking in the news to expose how crafty politicians can spead fake news to unsuspecting populace.

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