Open letter to Sarah Flood-Beaubrun from Vincent McDoom

By Vincent McDoom

Vincent McDoom

Dear Ms. Sarah Flood-Beaubrun: Yesterday, 5th December 2017, on your way to parliament, you did it again.

Lately, it seems no matter what question you are asked, whether it is about sex offenders’ registry, rape, child molestation, abortion, adultery, abuse, crime, human rights, you always seem to find a way to make a link to homosexuality.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that almost all the crimes committed in St. Lucia, including the molestation of children, rape, abortions, spouse beating, are committed by “straight” people. Yet, as a government minister, you seem to ignore almost all of those, and at the sight of any microphone, you go after the LGBTQ community. I suspect soon you will also blame the LGBT community for any failure you and your government may have.

Flood-Beaubrun

Sarah, I have sat by, read and listened to your rants and attacks on the LGBT community; this time I decided enough is enough. You are misleading the St. Lucian public and playing on their bigotry. You know it. What the LGBTQ community in St. Lucia is asking; is for the removal of buggery from the criminal code, so it is no longer a criminal act. You are an attorney, and you know the difference, yet you do what politicians like yourself do; you muddle up the issue, demonize the LGBTQ community so you will not have to address the issue of the removal of buggery from the criminal code. Then you are seen as a saint in eyes of your constituents and that will help guarantee your win at the next election.

You are playing politics with this issue, without caring for the people that are being hurt in the process since they are in the minority. You may want to ask the Labour Department why and how it removed discrimination of all kinds, including sexual orientation from hiring practices so no citizen of St. Lucia, no matter what their sexual or religions preferences are; no matter which party they support; no matter what race or sex they are; each St. Lucian is treated equally by the Labour Department and in employment in St. Lucia.

That, is what Leadership does. Good leadership does not have to agree with everything, it does what is right. It does what it took an oath to do. In your case, you took an oath to protect the rights of every St. Lucian, that includes SLPs, UWPs, LPMs, no Ps, straight, LGBTQ, young, old: every St. Lucian. Why do you discriminate against some of the very people you swore to serve? Sarah, your attempt to be seen as taking the “moral” highroad is nothing more than an out of touch, bitter, bigoted, hateful, opportunistic, bible toting hypocrite. Read on, you will understand why.

Before deciding to respond to your spread of hate, discrimination, and possibly inciting violence, I spoke with many fellow Saint Lucians, and others from different parts of the World, including many Officials and friends from the United Workers Party (UWP) Government, they encouraged me to write this open letter to you. Many are disgusted by your continued attacks on the LGBT community instead of addressing the decriminalization of buggery in the criminal code. What’s more, many feel that there is no basis for your continued hatred towards that community. But, that has not stopped you.

According to News Reports, many Facebook posts and comments, it was reported that on the 17th and 18th, of November 2017, an organization which you founded, the Caribbean Centre for Family and Human Rights (CARIFAM), attended the fifth World Congress of Families Caribbean Conference, under the theme “The Family Development – Strong Families, Prosperous Nations”. You ought to be commended for your courageous fight for families, pregnant women, and children.

You wrote CARIFAM is “… dedicated to protecting the family, human rights and human dignity. We advocate for full enjoyment of fundamental human rights for all peoples and for the strengthening of the family unit as an essential foundation of these rights.”

Your MISSION Statement says that CARIFAM aims, “To be the foremost organization in the Caribbean dedicated to the protection and promotion of fundamental human rights premised on the inherent dignity of the human person.” It is in this very affirmation by you that any clear thinking person will see a glaring problem: what your Mission states, and what you say are not in sync. How could you possible state that you are “dedicated to the … human rights and human dignity”, but in the same vein work hard to deny certain segments of society their “human rights”? That makes you a champion of some human rights, not blanket “human rights”. To claim that you are for “human rights” is wrong. If you are going to be nurturing children, helping families, you should not start out with a lie. I know you are a politician, but you seem to put your Christian faith first, and a lie is a no no, isn’t it?

Many countries and organizations in the Western Hemisphere, including the United Nations (UN), have been working for the promotion of rights to groups that have been wronged, marginalized, discriminated against, treated badly, persecuted, etc., etc. That includes minority groups such as the LGBT (surprise: yes, we are people and citizens too), but time and again, you have proven that you do not think your fellow citizens who belong to that group should be accorded their “human rights”.

While Representing St. Lucia at the UN, you (St. Lucia) were the ONLY one in the Americas (from Canada in the North to Chile in the South), who voted against the UN declaration in support of LGBT rights. It was reported that you “co-sponsored the opposing statement”. What a distinction. The only thing our country stand alone in, and is best at, is “FORMALLY” denying a segment of our society their rights. The irony is, that was done by you who claims to be a champion for “human rights”. Countries that didn’t want to vote for it, abstained, but you had to show your utter hatred for a minority of the very people you represent by sending a clear message of hate. You shamefully sat in that same General Assembly, and spoke about the rights of women, the rights of children, human rights, and the rights of the family.

What’s your definition of “family”? If you check the Oxford Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, Collins, Dictionnaire de l’Académie française, Larousse, Robert, or the United Nations for a definition of family, none of them identified a “family” as narrowly as you seem to do. The definitions went from mother, father with children, to single parent families, to people living together, a group of animals, group of plants, and even include the Mafia, as a family.

The United Nations definition said: “The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State” (United Nations, 1948). “Society’s definition of ‘family’ is rapidly expanding and has come to include single parents, biracial couples, blended families, unrelated individuals living cooperatively, and homosexual couples, among others. Unfortunately, family policy has been slow to catch up to changing trends in modern lifestyles” (Crawford, 1999, p. 271). There are many other scholars including, Crawford, who disagrees with your narrow definition of “family”. Are they all wrong and you, Sarah, are the one who is correct?

What you fail to realize is that, your very action is endangering some of those very “families” including children who happen to be different, homosexual. Myself and many others can tell you the trauma of growing up in St. Lucia with no protection from adults and elected officials like yourself. The UN listed the ills of such a stance. I have no doubt you are fully aware of them, but choose to ignore the harm they can do to some of the very families and children you claim to be there to help. Have you even thought of the effects of your actions and words on the lives of young people who are scared, and are dealing with the torrent of feelings and emotions surrounding their sexuality? Where is your love and compassion?

Increasingly, many political and religious leaders from many faiths are disagreeing with you and others like you. One example is Rev. Canon Steve Chalke. He said, the “…TRADITIONAL understanding of something isn’t always the right understanding of something.” Just as the church had to adjust it’s teachings to the realities of scientific discoveries of Galileo and Copernicus, he said it is crucial for Christians to use modern-day resources to re-examine these clobber passages.

“Our poor understanding of the New Testament has brought misery, persecution, oppression and rejection to countless hundreds of thousands and millions of LGBT people,” Rev. Chalke said. “It is time to apologize for the mistakes we’ve made and move on,” he advised.

It is in that vein, that the widely admired Canadian Prime Minister Hon. Justin Trudeau, on 29th November, 2017, on behalf of Canadians, apologized for the wrongdoings towards the LGBT population.

During his apology, he said, “…Systemic oppression, criminalization, and violence against the LGBTQ2 community, and it is my hope that in talking about the injustices and vowing to never repeat them, and acting to right these wrongs, we can begin to heal. It is with shame, and sorrow, and deep regret for the things we have done, that I stand here today and say, we were wrong, we apologize. I am sorry, we are sorry…” He called for “forward-thinking and progressive ideas”. He said it is wrong to be told that your country doesn’t accept you. Sees you as defective. Simply because of who you are and who your sexual partners are. His message: it is wrong to be CRIMINALIZED for who YOU ARE.

Sarah, your position, and to a large extent that of the government of St. Lucia, has been acknowledged as the systemic oppression, criminalization and violence against the LGBT community. In the words of Mr. Trudeau, St. Lucia’s criminal code codified “buggery” language, “bolster and embolden those who want to attack others for non-conforming sexual desire.” It makes, “private and consensual sex between same-sex partners a criminal offence”. Although in the case of St. Lucia, it specifies between men, not women. The criminal code discriminates and encourages hatred and fear. Just imagine for a moment what it’s like to be discriminated against by your own government, while a foreign government from a more advanced and progressive country says “Canada will stand tall on the international stage as we proudly advocate for equal rights for LGBTQ2 communities around the world…. To members of the LGBTQ2 communities, young and old, here in Canada and around the world: You are loved. And we support you…” That is in accordance with Jesus’ message of love; promoting real “human rights” for all. Not your distorted use of the Bible to clobber some of God’s children.

You may reply to this by highlighting Prime Minister Allen Chastanet’s appearance of Rick Wayne’s show, “Talk” on Thursday 29th November, 2017. When the Prime Minister was asked about the repeal of “buggery” in the criminal code, he said, “Not because the rest of the World is going in that direction that means St. Lucia should go in that direction”. I can understand the Prime Minister’s positon. Like you he is a politician. He depends on you, Mr. Joseph, Mr. Montoute, and others of a similar mindset to win their seats, support him so he can remain Prime Minister and possibly win the next election.

In turn, you all may be scared of losing votes if you go contrary to what many St. Lucians think on the subject. Frist off, your party base will vote for you regardless, (that was shown in 2011, even after all the fiasco with the then UWP government, the party got almost the same number of votes as it did when it won in 2006). It is what the Prime Minister of Canada called the “progressives”; those who are independent, and swing voters who decides which part wins the elections. Those are mostly the more open minded, the more tolerant, those who understand changes are necessary, and above all, most believe in true “human rights”. You were elected to provide leadership. At the very least, you and Mr. Chastanet should start and encourage internal discussions and let the resolution come from inside of St. Lucia before it is imposed from countries and investors whom you all are courting to help grow the St. Lucian economy. You can no longer continue to simply pay lip service to “human rights” for all, without actually guaranteeing those “human rights”.

You need to stop your blatant discrimination. You did it again at the OAS General Assembly. On June 22nd of this year, here is what was written about you, “Sarah Flood-Beaubrun, Saint Lucia’s Minister of External Affairs explained her country’s position, saying “Saint Lucia cannot commit to any provision that undermine the institution of the family, or that may lead to the creation of controversial ‘sexual rights’ that may conflict with the rights of children and their families. Flood-Beaubrun reminded the room that international binding provisions protect the family as “the natural and fundamental unity of society,” and stressed her own country’s duty to protect it, and to protect the children.” Yes, you do have a “duty to protect… the children”; all the children, not some.

The suggestion is that you should be more concerned about child abuse cases where boys and girls are raped. Rape should be gender neutral and the penalty should be the same for both non-consensual vaginal and anal sex. You have yet to tell us how extending “human rights” to the LGBT Community will erode the “human rights” of families and children. Are you telling us that if one group of people get rights, then another group will have less rights? Are those rights mutually exclusive? Can we not all have equal protection, equal rights: “human rights”?

You are using some of the same arguments that were used to deny the “human rights” of women (denying women the right to vote, etc.), of blacks, of indigenous people and minority groups all over the World. That same argument was used to try and prevent blacks from joining the US military, they said it would “disrupt the unit”, and it did, but the military became better and stronger for it. Since then, blacks have risen to the top of the military to become Generals, Joint-Chiefs, etc. Members of the LGBT community are not going away, we are industrious and productive members of society, we are your neighbours, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, friends, assistants, civil servants, and even some of your husbands, etc., etc.

Research has shown we contribute disproportionately more to the economy and society than any other group. You are at a unique place in history, you get a chance to make a huge difference, show some real leadership, make some hard choices and educate the country, bring them along with you, and let them know to love their children, all their children (after-all, it is them who are producing the homosexual children). Or, if you do not have the gonads to be so brave, then stop discriminating and making our lives more difficult than it already is. Imagine if someone was trying to deny you your basic “human rights” like you are doing us. Makes you no better than those hypocritical Republicans who spew hate against homosexuals, but every so often, some of those same “family values” and anti-LGBT Republicans are themselves caught in some homosexual act. Last two were caught as recently as November 2017. That is not the company you want to be in: I would like to think you are better than that.

You may ask, “what would Jesus say?” Would Jesus have cared if people were LGBTQ? He would have loved us anyway. Jesus was here to teach people to love and forgive. I thought Christians were supposed to recognize the fullness of God’s love and support, help their fellow brothers and sisters in their many struggles. FYI: being a homosexual in this World, especially in a discriminatory place like St. Lucia is a huge struggle. Given a choice, knowing how difficult and trying it is to be LGBTQ, no one I know, or have read about, would choose to be.

Some of us learn to accept and embrace who we truly are, but it often is a real struggle for us to get to that place of acceptance. There is what you were brought up with in church; what parents, Sunday school, etc., taught you, and then there is your biological makeup – who nature decided you will be; calling at you to be the real you – unapologetically. It is ironic that the same Christians who say God does not make mistakes, and he created everything for a purpose, are the same ones demonizing some of his works, some of his children. God intended and command all of his creation to be who he created them to be. For those who live in places where bigotry exists, their very nature, their very God given right is being denied them by some of the same people who are professing God’s love. That’s what you do.

This is where the quoting of Bible verses will begin. Several Theologians who studied the Bible for many years have tried to explain the Bible to the World. They have come to the conclusion that “anyone who has a desire to impose an agenda on the Bible is normally able to accomplish it, no matter how contrary such an agenda might be to how the book has been understood for millennia”. Such is the nature of the Good Book – the Bible: that you can find something in there to justify or refute almost anything you set out to do. One can bend the Bible based on their agenda. In most bigots’ cases, understanding the divine laws and lessons of the bible is too often simply made into hot-button items simply out of a cultural rejection of anyone or anything that is different: they do it out of impulse rather than out of any GENUINE concern over the word of God. If they did it out genuine concern, they would show what the Bible said is above all else, LOVE. Where is your Christian LOVE Sarah? You go to the Bible and find exactly what you are looking for, don’t you? Well, let’s take a Bible walk together.

For many Christians, denying LGBT people their rights is as simple as opening the Bible. Well, not so fast.

First off, Jesus, on more than one occasion, demonstrated that he didn’t know everything. It is Jesus himself who made a career out of questioning the received wisdom of religious authorities. “You know it said like this,” he would suggest, “but why not reconsider it this way?” Given what we know of Jesus’ humility, why wouldn’t he open to changing his mind as the years, centuries and millenniums went by? It is in that spirit that those who spend their lives studying the Bible, including religious leaders are increasingly allowing for more rights for all groups, or are sounding less sure about discriminatory positions as the years go by. That is the basis for the British, from whom most of our laws, rules, etc., came from.

The British, after reviewing the 4th September, 1957 Report of the Departmental Committee on Homosexual Offences and Prostitution (also known as the Wolfenden report), passed the Sexual Offences Act 1967. It decriminalized homosexual acts in private. Later, England would pass a law that treated committed relationships between two CONSENTING adults equally. Surprisingly, it was with huge help from the church, Theologians, and other religions leaders, that the British, like many other countries, were able to evolve; to change; to treat all of God’s children equally – with love and compassion – just as Jesus did and ordered.

You might ask, what about the six or seven references to homosexuality in the Bible (old and new testament)? Fair question. The Bible isn’t a rulebook (if it was, we would not have the need for the criminal code, etc), and Christians cannot lift out of its context any passage from the Bible, and still hope to gain a clear understanding of that passage. It is important to understand that even the most fundamentalist Christian sects do not take the Bible wholly literally. The New Testament is 2,000 years old. Its CULTURAL contexts, along with the translation at hand, is always taken into consideration by any Christian serious about understanding this vast and complex work. That is why people spend many years studying the Bible.

Many of those who have studied the Bible, say it is not a contract, or a set of instructions, with each passage spelling out something clear and specific. It is not a rulebook for being Christian. It is instead a widely varying collection of poetry, history, proverbs, moral directives, parables, letters and wondrous visions. We would be foolish to fail to understand that not everything in the Bible is a commandment, and that Christians cannot take any small section of the Bible out of its own context, and still hope to gain a clear understanding of its meaning.

Using the four Old Testament passages to condemn LGBTQ people is not in keeping with any directive from God, nor with the practices of contemporary Christians.

The Bible’s first four mentions of homosexuality occur in the Old Testament. However, it was St. Paul who specifically instructed Christians, like you, that while they were continuing to be spiritually inspired and influenced by the Old Testament, they were NOT to follow the law of the Old Testament. He did that in the following passages:

The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. —Hebrews 7:18-19

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. — Galatians 3:23-25

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another… —Romans 7:4

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. — Romans 6:14

In practice, you and other Christians do not follow the dictates of the Old Testament. If you and others on our island did, polygamy would be legal. Forbidden would be things like tattoos, wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork and planting different crop together or side by side as sanctioned in Deutermony 22:9-11, and Leviticus 19:19, – the Christian day of worship would be Saturday, not Sunday as it was in the Old Testament. Also, upon marriage, a new bride would have to prove she is a virgin. If not, she would have to be stoned to death. Do you know any woman who got married and were not virgins on their Wedding day? Did you stone any of those women to death? That is also the punishment for anyone guilty of adultery. I have not found any speech where you spoke at the UN or elsewhere about adultery, despite the fact that it made God’s Top Ten list (the Ten Commandments). I have not heard you spoke about the many people who have knowingly committed adultery in St. Lucia; that includes the number of married people with outside children. Where is your SANCTIMONIOUS voice on those?

Clearly, we no longer follow the Old Testament laws. Rightfully so, because St. Paul asked us NOT to. Therefore, the use of the four Old Testament passages as justification for your blatant discrimination is not in keeping any directive from God, nor with the practices of contemporary Christians. Our understanding and practice of New Testament prescriptions EVOLVED along with the society and culture of which they are a part. At any given time in history Christians have always SELECTIVELY followed dictates of the New Testament.

The Catholic Church, amongst others, are against any form of birth control, including condoms. St. Lucia is a majority Catholic country, are condoms illegal? Do Catholics use condoms and other forms of birth control? I suspect they do. Also, you and other Christian women no longer feel morally constrained to follow Paul’s directives to leave your hair UNCUT, to keep your heads COVERED in church, or to always remain QUIET in church. It’s also why the Bible is no longer used to justify the cruel institution of SLAVERY, or to deny women the right to VOTE. As a woman, you gave speeches at the United Nations where you spoke about the rights of women, and lauded the progress made, even in the sciences, etc., but cautioned that we still have a long way to go for women to achieve full equality. It troubles me that in one breath you can speak of the rights of one group, but on the other, in the same institution, under the same roof, deny another group their “human rights”. How do you reconcile being able to do both? Some might call that hypocrisy and double standards.

Just as those thoughts and understandings of the New Testament changed and grew, so today you can mix and match threads and not get stoned to death. It is becoming increasingly clear to most Christians that the three New Testament passages that many “Christians” use to clobber the LGBTQ community (each of which was written by Paul in letters to or about nascent distant churches), when understood in their historical context, do NOT constitute a directive from God against LGBTQ people today.

Here are the three mentions of homosexuality in the New Testament:
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. —1 Corinthians 6:9-10

We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers — and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine. —1 Timothy 1:9-10:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.—Romans 1:26-27

In the times during which the New Testament was written, the Roman conquerors of the region frequently and openly engaged in homosexual acts between older men and boys, and between men and their male slaves. These acts of NON-CONSENSUAL sex were considered normal and socially acceptable. They were, however, morally repulsive to Paul, as today they would be to the vast majority of people, gay and straight.

The universally acknowledged authoritative reference on matters of antiquity is the Oxford Classical Dictionary (OCD). Here is what the OCD (third edition revised, 2003) says in its section about homosexuality as practiced in the time of Paul:

“…the sexual penetration of male prostitutes or slaves by conventionally masculine elite men, who might purchase slaves expressly for that purpose, was not considered morally problematic.”
This is the societal context in which Paul wrote of homosexual acts, and it is this context that Christians are obliged to bring to their understanding and interpretation of the three clobber passages. Paul certainly condemned the same-sex sexual activity he saw around him. It was coercive; it was without constraint; it involved older men and boys. As a moral man, Paul was revolted by these acts — as, certainly, he would have been by the same acts had they been heterosexual in nature.

Sarah, the Bible’s clobber passages were written about same-sex acts between HETEROSEXUAL persons (straight people who have wielded most of the power in society, and caused most of the suffering, like you do now). St. Paul do not address the subject of homosexual acts between a committed gay couple, because the concept of a person being a homosexual did not exist at the time the Bible was written.

It is also critical to our reading of the New Testament’s three clobber passages to understand that while of course Paul knew about sex acts that took place between persons of the same gender, he had no concept whatsoever of homosexual persons. Theologians have said that; virtually no one in Paul’s time was “out”; no one lived, or in any way publicly self-identified, as a homosexual. Paul had no concept of an entire population of people who, as a fundamental, unalterable condition of their existence, were sexually attracted to persons of the same gender, and not sexually attracted to persons of the opposite gender.

Here is the opening of the OCD’s article on homosexuality:

“No Greek or Latin word corresponds to the modern term ‘homosexuality,’ and ancient Mediterranean society did not in practice treat homosexuality as a socially operating category of personal or public life. Sexual relations between persons of the same sex certainly did occur (they are widely attested in ancient sources), but they were not systematically distinguished or conceptualized as such, much less were they thought to represent a single, homogeneous phenomenon in contradistinction to sexual relations between persons of different sexes. … The application of ‘homosexuality’ (and ‘heterosexuality’) in a substantive or normative sense to sexual expression in classical antiquity is not advised.”

These Theologians further stated; we can be confident that Paul was not writing to, or about, gay people, because he simply could NOT have been, any more than he could have written about SMART PHONES or iPADS. We do not know what Paul might write or say today about gay people. All we know is that in the New Testament he wrote about PROMISCUOUS, PREDATORY, NON-CONSEXUAL same-sex acts between “HETEROSEXUALS” (your team). Sarah, it WASN’T homosexuals who were busy having sex, it was “straight” people, mostly men, (it usually is), who were having their way with whoever, and whatever they fancied. It was wrong then, it is wrong now. Their wrongdoing, does not justify you using what “straight” men did, to deny a whole group of God’s children their “human rights”.

The countries that have taken the time to properly study the Bible as it should, most of them majority “Christian Countries”, decided to legislate or vote in favour of gay rights, and gay marriage because they understand the Bible routinely, clearly and strongly classifies ALL SEX ACTS OUTSIDE THE BONDS OF MARRIAGE as sinful. They also understood that there was no concept of gay people when the Bible was written. Therefore the Bible does not, and could not, address the sinfulness of homosexual acts done WITHIN the context of marriage. Christians therefore have NO BIBLICAL BASIS for themselves condemning such acts. In fact, by denying marriage equality to gay people in places like Saint Lucia, people like you are compelling gay couples TO SIN, because their intimacy must happen outside of marriage, and is therefore, by biblical definition, sinful. Even those who are personally repelled by homosexuality know that doesn’t make homosexuality a sin.

In addition to the Bible, many Christians cite as additional evidence of the inherent sinfulness of homosexual acts their raw emotional response to such acts. It is understandable that many straight people find homosexual sex repugnant (just as many gay people find heterosexual sex repugnant). It is normal for any one of us to be viscerally repelled by the idea of sex between, or with, people for whom we personally have no sexual attraction. Young people, for example, are often disgusted by the thought of senior citizens having sex. And who isn’t repulsed by the idea of their parents having sex? Your own children may be repulsed at the thought of you having sex. But it is much too easy for any person to mistake their instinctive reaction against something as a MORAL reaction to that thing. OUTRAGE isn’t always MORAL OUTRAGE, though the two usually feel the same.

It may feel to a straight Christian that their instinctive negative reaction to homosexual sex arises out of the Bible. But all of us necessarily view the Bible through the lens of our own experiences and prejudices, and we must be very careful to ensure that lens does not distort our vision or understanding of God’s sacrosanct word.

“The greatest of these is love.”

The overriding message of Jesus was love. Jesus modeled love; Jesus preached love; Jesus was love. You and others who desire to do and live the will of Jesus are morally obliged to always err on the side of love. Taken altogether, the evidence — the social context in which the Bible was written, the lack of the very concept of gay people in Paul’s time, the lack of basic “human rights” for LGBT people in St. Lucia, the inability of gay people in St. Lucia to not be seen as criminals, the inequity between how the clobber passages are applied between a majority and a minority population, the injustice of the punishment for a state of being over which one has no choice, and human love generally — shows that choosing to condemn and exclude gay people based on the Bible is the MORALLY INCORRECT choice. That evidence should instead lead you and other “Christians” to the most obvious, and most Christian of all positions, stated so beautifully by Paul himself in 1 Corinthians 13:

Love never fails… When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me… And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. Where is your love of your people, all of your people. As a “Christian” the Bible asked you to “love” all of us. Even those you disagree with? Sarah, I am not feeling the “love”. Instead you make it your business, to whenever you are given the opportunity to openly display your hatred, and hostility towards the LGBTQ community. Would Jesus like that? Would St. Paul? Does God?

Homosexuality is briefly mentioned in only six or seven of the Bible’s 31,173 verses. The fact that homosexuality is so rarely mentioned in the Bible should be an indication to us of the degree of importance ascribed it by the authors of the Bible. While the Bible is nearly silent on homosexuality, a great deal of its content is devoted to how a Christian, like you, should behave. All throughout it, the Bible insists on FAIRNESS, EQUITY, LOVE and the rejection of legalism over compassion. If you and others look to the Bible to determine the sinfulness of LGBTQ people, how much greater is your and their obligation to look to the Bible to determine the sinfulness of your and their behavior towards God’s children? What about justice. Some Bible passages pertinent to this concern are:

Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her. —John 8:7

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.—Romans 13:8-10

Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. —Colossians 3:11-13

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. —Matthew 23:22-24

Christianity teaches us that we are all born sinners; that we have no choice but to exist in relationship to our sinful natures. And so Christians accept as inevitable that any given Christian will, for instance, on occasion drink too much, lust or tell a lie. Along with the homosexuality of the time, St. Paul also spoke about those three specific sins. But Christians don’t think that they are expected to never commit ANY degree of those sins. They understand that circumstances and normal human weaknesses must be taken into account before condemning any transgression. We all readily understand and accept the moral distinction between drinking socially and being a drunk; between a lustful thought and committing adultery; between telling a flattering white lie and chronically lying.

Even a sin as heinous as murder we do not judge without first taking into account the context in which it occurred. Self-defense, protection of the innocent, during a war — we recognize that there are times when even taking the life of another is not only NOT a sin, but a morally justified, and even heroic act.
Christians evaluate the degree of sin, or even whether or not a real sin has occurred, by looking at both the harm caused by the sin, and the intent of the sin’s perpetrator. Christians do that, for all sins, EXCEPT for LGBTQ people. That’s the one that you and others treat differently; WORSE THAN MURDER. How could you, or any clear thinking, compassionate, loving person treat someone who murders another person, take their life, maybe even senselessly, and brutally, better than someone else who may be in turmoil, but working hard to overcome it and be the best possible citizen he or she could be?

As an attorney, I have no doubt you will acknowledge that the rights of every St. Lucian is enshrined in the Constitution. Chapter 1, says, “WHEREAS the People of Saint Lucia—“, that means every one of us, not some, “(a) affirm their faith in the supremacy of the Almighty God; (b) believe that all persons have been endowed equally by God with inalienable rights and dignity; (c) recognise that the enjoyment of these rights depends upon certain fundamental freedoms namely, freedom of the person, of thought, of expression, of communication, of conscience and of association; (d) maintain that these freedoms can only be safeguarded by the rule of law; (e) realise that human dignity requires respect for spiritual values; for private family life and property;…”.

You may want to point to the Criminal Code, No. 9 of 2004 Section 133 which specifically speak of “buggery” and says “… it means sexual intercourse per anus by a male person with another male person”. “Sexual intercourse per anus” with a female was left out. Which has caused international agencies and rights organizations to interpret that to mean that it is ok if a man does it to a woman. One can take that to mean the issue is not “intercourse per anus” as much as it depends on who is doing it to whom? If that is the case, under the constitution, is that not discriminatory? Why the different treatment? Not that it should be criminalized for women; it should not be illegal for anyone once they do not break laws and codes of decency, privacy, and that it is between CONSENTING adults.

As a “Christian” you have a biblically mandated obligation to be just, and to love. There is no clear and explicit mandate in the Bible asking you or anyone else to marginalize, discriminate and hate LGBTQ people. If there is no such clearly stated directive, then the continued mistreatment of LGBTQ people by you and others is MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE, and must cease. Further, the Constitution, which starts out by establishing St. Lucia as a Christian Nation by opening with, “Whereas the people of Saint Lucia—(a) affirm their faith in the supremacy of the almighty God”. Is it safe to assume that is one of the reasons for your strong adherence to your religions faith? If you are a true “Christian” why not let the love, fairness and compassion called for in the Bible guide your MORAL compass?

As a politician, I understand you may take the views of the general public on certain issues and appeal to them regardless of how just or unjust it may be. However, you were elected to be a leader. Not only were you elected to provide leadership, you are also an attorney. Sarah, given your Christian faith, your legal background, your continued push for “human rights”, you, more than most are in a position to provide the much needed leadership on this issue. You have precedence and guidance from places like our former mother land, England. Even the Pope has voiced his tolerance. Some other religions/Christians have been advocates for giving equal rights, or at the very least DECRIMINALISING such discriminatory laws. I understand you care about votes, but if you do not do the right thing now, when you are an old woman, you may reflect on this as a missed opportunity to do the right thing.

Soon, if you want engagement, investment and help from certain countries, just like the US did after Operation Restore Confidence, countries and investors will hold out until St. Lucia guarantees equal “human rights” for all. Or one day soon, a leader with God fearing courage to honour Jesus’ message of love, will rise up and decide it is time to treat all St. Lucians, all God’s children, as he asked them to be treated. Why not let that leader be you? Throughout history, oppressed groups, disenfranchised groups have fought for their rights, and won. That is especially true in the Western Hemisphere. We need to ensure that all our children grow up knowing they are loved, and that the state is there to protect them. That the state is there to help ensure they grow up to be themselves while contributing to the betterment of their country without being discriminated against, simple because of who they are. We owe it to them. If we do not do it, who will? Sarah, you cannot wish this away. Time to at least start an internal dialogue. If I can be of any help, please do not hesitate to ask me.

Sincerely,
Vincent McDoom

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112 comments

  1. An Ignorant and hateful people. No wonder the crime rate is so high.

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  2. Like everything else it is wrong , rape, murder , stealing . Who say gay people don't commit crimes, we all do , I for sure don't want to see gay ppl loving up in the streets.

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  3. Paul is a false apostle..Christ never taught against the law,quite the contrary..The aldusterous woman was spared because of the hypocrisy of the pharesise..You are right to say that many are hypocrites..We should obey all the laws of the old testament..Christianity is a vatican creation..christ taught the old testament..mathew 23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

    2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in MOSES' seat: (meaning they continue the work of moses..those whos say that "moses law was abolished are liars)!!

    3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.....Christ never spoke against the LAW!!!!

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  4. Meanwhile in the real warfare. Lybians are facing racism by the original oppressors. And we here fighting petty prejudice. Artificial intelligence Sir.
    Do you know in those very times you quote that the black man was defaced and embarrassed with this form of sexuality as you claim when taken from his home land to be tamed into a slave. Please do a general research. The world may change in all thereof but fight a real stigma without your personal biasness and agenda.

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  5. Stop the bulling nasty guys

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  6. Stop the bulling nasty guys.

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  7. As Flood Beaubrun pontificates, her own constituency flounders in poverty and crime. She has done nothing for Castries Central. She's a hater. She has made right wing hate her calling card, hypocritically attacking gay people to pump up her gullible base. What does she know about THE FAMILY? She destroyed one in order to marry a divorced man. She disguises her hypocrisy in cheap holier than thou hate, and the people of Castries Central are left with nothing. She walked out on Central once to promote her antediluvian agenda. This time she has simply disappeared in a cloud of self-serving homophobic cant. She's a bad Catholic. I find it tragic that anyone would fall for her phony act. We deserve better. Fix the streets, get the Castries lights working, do your damn job, you preposterous phony.

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  8. Leviticus 20:13

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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  9. If only St.Lucians were so in unison in condemning other sins like stealing and adultery.Why so much hate for this sin? I'm indifferent to same-sex marriage but this buggery law is outdated, what two adult men do in their private life is none of my business. We have more important matters (crime and economy), the article was very well written with facts and quotes from the bible supporting Vincent arguement. If all you can do is insult the author by calling him a 'bulla" then he already won the arguement

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  10. A MAN COULD LOVE A MAN, THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE HAVE TO BULL HIM!

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  11. Changing the laws about buggery and making it legal does not make it right... It is still a sin and will remain a sin.. if you want to be called a Christian nation... Follow Christ... He says is wrong .. so it's wrong and stop the hypocritical behavior.

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  12. 1. McDoom did not write this article. Everything else he has written is filled with poor English and grammatical errors. He should have spent more time in school studying instead of dressing up. This was written by some gay intolerant organization. They are well organized enforcers.
    2. We are entering a new era. Christians and conservatives and the followers of the successful Judeo Christian ethos are fighting back against the vicious, destructive, society destroying liberal elite stranglehold on our culture that has produced debt, sexual depravity, crime, job losses, breakdown of male female relations , breakdown of the family and even the corruption of our academic institutions.
    3. All Jah praises to Sarah. We have watched our black societies fall apart while white elites concentrate on gender politics to ensure they get more wealth and power. Wealth inequality has increased with the liberal elites with their perversions getting richer and richer as they tax us to death to get money to for push their gay agenda in Parliaments and the U.N.
    But we ain't taking it anymore!

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  13. Can someone tell us the last time that someone was charged with buggery?

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  14. Mummy tell Shawn pay de fellars

    I didn’t read the storybook in its entirety.

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  15. Damn did they say an open letter because that nigga wrote a whole book 😂😂😂😂

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  16. You were born a man yet u decided to transform into a woman. Does that make any sense to you mr.vincent. The title MR. Will never leave you. You are a man, always will be. You may act up and say you don’t care and what not but there is a god and one day he will shame you for your gay none sense

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  17. it looks like two men make mate yo

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  18. Sarah Please do not sell your soul to the devil to please them batty and cack-ca-lack people let them know it is immoral and wrong and you are standing your ground. Vincent McDoom please find your identity you sign your name as a man yet you are a so call woman in your pic are you for real? Most of us still strongly believe in God in St.Lucia and he promise never to tell a lie so his words are the truth you cannot convince me that he is wrong. May God have mercy on you all bull dyke soul.

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  19. Wow! This is well written detailed and informative piece written by Vincent. Many of the comments that followed was astonishingly lacking in enabling a healthy a balance view as it reflected blinkered entrenched hatred.
    Howevered offended one is by homsexuality it has always been and will continue to be part of human existance as postitution is and will always be.
    All human beings regardless are entitled to basic human rights as vincent so elegantly articulated in this piece.

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    • New Testament Verse of the Day:

      ... and poured water into a basin. Then he began to wash the disciples' feet, drying them with the towel he had around him.
      – John 13: 5

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  20. What is really Sarah’s concern? Has she evidence that decriminalising buggery laws will give ‘straights’ another orifice to trump vaginal sex and that hapless women cannot protest because buggery is legal? If that is her concern, she should rest assured because from the revulsion of buggery expressed by ‘straights’ the decriminalisation of buggery laws will not make vaginal sex go out of fashion - procreation is guaranteed whether by coitus or test-tube
    .
    In the Caribbean, the ideal family consisting of mother and father is a myth and a romantic notion which denies and disregard the historically complexities from which the family evolved and continue to evolve.

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  21. All that dialogue just
    for having sex with poop, wow when you get tired of fellas or have no backsides please check out my septic tank.

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  22. What the hell? You expect people to read all your bulla shit!!

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  23. wow!! I always knew that st Lucians were hatful people but geez man that just seals the deal!! why so much hate yall ? love and keep loving stop all the hate.. You guys remind me of Americans and Indians , stop the discrimination.. color of skin , name class, cast etc.. what next?/

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  24. The man doesnt even live in st lucia but want to change the laws. Its like i live my mother house but still want to tell her how to take care of it.

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  25. Good for you Vincent. I’m with you. How many St. Lucians grew up in this idealistic “family” unit Sarah speaks of??? How many.... who bash LGBT must be really concerned with their own sexuality......just saying.....
    what happens between consenting adults in privacy ....... Sarah butt out of my bedroom.....sanctimonious...... ask your husband how badly they treated his own “gay” uncle.....yes you sit in church clutching your Bible clearly not listening to your own pope who does not feel qualified to judge ..... yes apparently you missed that message..... bash on.... I feel pity for your small mind, and disgusted that YOU feel able to represent me, female, St. Lucian on any world stage. How dare you speak for me ..... chooopssss ,

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  26. Isn't there more important things going on in this country. Why are news sites giving credence to such garbage. The quezz had always done the their and few people cared. Now you keep giving them an avenue to get their nonsense to reach the masses. Please stopping adding to the spread of this filth. The Most High will is watching your being complicit.

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  27. you see that is the problem I have with this "minority", you guys consider yourselves downtrodden or oppressed, but it seems that at the site of someone or some organization bearing a different opinion they are met with venomous attacks. the difference in opinions is what it is, not everyone is going to have the same ideals why should laws be changed to suit this minority when there are no direct bearings on their lives or livelihoods. show me the long list of convicted homosexuals who are inhumanely put behind bars for their personal choices.........i'll wait. What happens in your bedroom is your business but when you want to perform a personal attack on one of the ministers just because she is of the opinion that lack of a strong family unit[mother, Father, Child(ren)] is one of the main reasons for the crime situation then you do your group(minority) an injustice. The days of hate killings are long past, the times for discrimination in finding employment are long past as well. what are you lobbying for mister?

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  28. Once upon a time we were a Godly nation. Its really sad now what we have become and what we are willing to push because of our selfish interests.
    We all sin, but the Bible clearly stated that this is an abomination. And we saw what happened to Sodom and Gomorah when they refused to turn away from such lifestyles. Why should we provoke the wrath of our Heavenly Father?

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    • This is so true...
      With all the earthquakes and floods that are happening all over the world...
      We in little SLU want to join this dirty and nasty and immoral lifestyle...
      God is a good God. He is full of mercy and patience but when enough is enough woe unto us in SLU!!!!
      SLU we were happy, loving, caring, kind, blessed when we followed after God... Now we are running after the world. The world has nothing to offer. Please remember who were are...
      We belong to God he purchased us with the blood of his son Jesus Christ...
      We don't belong to ourselves.
      We belong to God please follow Him and do what he says and we will be blessed once more.

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  29. Vincent's legs are on fleek...that is all *waves bye*

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  30. You were born a man you will always be a man! God
    Don't make mistakes! An apple can never be a banana! A chicken can never be a duck! Until then go clean up
    Yourself and get it together! Don't blame Sarah for
    Your nastiness!

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  31. If we are to consider removing buggery from the criminal code, marijuana should be decriminalized.

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  32. Vincent McDoom who did you pay to write that garbage for you. You can barely speak English much less French.

    Did the PM's daddy write the letter for you? There is a lot of speculation about him and the activities that go in at his house in Augier in the South of St Lucia. I repeat "Speculation". Please keep your lifestyle to yourself!!

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    • The PM daddy have house in Augier ?

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      • A man who dresses like a woman who uses St Lucian politicians like toilet tissue. He even posted his pictures (posing in drag) on Facebook with our current PM, Alan Chastanet and other government ministers. What a shame?

        What the hell is this world coming to? Is this what we have to offer our children?

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    • you've got yours... so do I

      All I am saying is this, why is it that LGBT want to impose their lifestyle on people.
      Two men CANNOT have kids.... furthermore you MR McDoom don't live in St.Lucia

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  33. No way we have no population to condone this behaviour we losing enough people to crime and violence to add another distruction confuse .We care for you man but please dont try to impose your lifestyle on our tiny nation remember the saying whats good for the goose is not good for the ganda so keep your goose where it belongs man!

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    • You worried about population? You do realise majority of children born here are unintended..as in she get pregnant, not aborting, so there you have it. If contraception was at a level which we currently are trying to reach the entire world's population would decline.

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  34. NEXT THEY WILL TAKE A LUCIAN BAKER TO COURT FOR REFUSING TO BAKE A SAME SEX WEDDING CAKE................. OUR CONCERN IS THAT SOON WE WHO THINK DIFFERENTLY WILL BECOME PERSECUTED.

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  35. WHO GOING TO READ ALL THAT CHOOPSSS

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  36. I am a supporter of the lgbtq or whatever it is now, but they should understand that they aren't the only one with a voice. You can either agree or disagree with Mrs Flood, but to make it a public brouhaha is not worth it. I really believe that's just the machinery trying to make it look like they're working. If I stood up and vehemently try to undermine the lgbtq they would cry victimization but yet they vilify a woman who stands for her belief of values of faith. I say sit back and relax enjoy life and have a merry Christmas. This open letter is alot of writing that just isn't necessary.

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    • "yet they vilify a woman who stands for her belief of values of faith."
      At the end of the day, government is not a platform for your personal beliefs.

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  37. It appears that the government and people of St. Lucia are so passionate and vocal about this subject. I wish so much attention was given to making us feel safe in our homes and on the streets. The tourists are already choosibg other destinations. PLEASE TAKE CARE OF CRIME. This is the christian thing to do. This is taking care of human rights. I am sick and tired of this nonesense happening in my country.

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  38. When 2 lesbians conceive a child or 2 gay people conceive a child, then y'all can raise y'all child. Until then this is a non story! End off!

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  39. You people are so full of hate.. I dont understand why,let the people live their lives. Are they causing you any pain NO!!!!. Stop the hate!!!

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    • shut up you yourself people like you always want to use hate to justify these disgusting actions. these people want law makers to amend the laws to promote their sodom acts. if you amend this law who are the ones going to protect the little children from molesters Huh?? just a few years ago a police man was caught bulling a little boy that is not mentally stable you want the laws to change for this to happen if you dont have nothing better to say then shut the hell up. to what benefit do we have changing this law to allow this unnatural nasty behaviour. nonsence before someone say something yall quick to jump on hate

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      • Actually most of the people molesting the kids are "straight". Stop spreading false statistics because of personal bias.

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        • shut the hell up you idiot your comment does not make no sence and is retarded. what difference does it make if a straight person bulls a child? its the same damn thing buggery is buggery. is people like you that want to differentiate between gays and straights to make it seem that the entire thing is ok and because it is done by a straight person it is far worst and the gay person is not. news flash if you sleeping with the same sex you are GAY with the shate you coming and say there about straights

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          • Let me sink to your level for a bit. You is (sic) an a** who can't spell. All your comments are abusive and sound "retarded". You need some anger management classes. Or are you struggling with your sexuality? Lol

            The point is there are more incidents of our little girls being and continuing to be in danger of being molested by "straight" sickos, than our boys by "gay" men.

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        • They pretend to be straight but are actually bisexual. Get y'all facts. Several guys have been raped by other men, that don't reach the news but we at the health services front line get cases all the time.

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    • We don't 'hate you" . That's there cop out ! We don't hate you; we hate your dutty "lifestyle" you and organization is trying to force down people's throats as "acceptable" and "normal" and should be "tolerable" straight people HAVE THE RIGHT to defend procreation.

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    • you've got yours... so do I

      that's not hate.....we're agreeing to disagree

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  40. Dear Vincent McDoom is Sarah flood sitting on your dick and you don’t have access to it? Is she holding it hostage?
    Let the woman say what she wants and thinks what she wants. You and every other st Lucian including myself will do the same. The world would be a better place if everyone swept in front of their own door, and not go to their neighbors door telling them their is dirt in front of it.

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  41. It is against the law for that i stand behind the minister a hundred it is writen in the bible so y people belive in god an still go against his word...

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  42. The ignorance in this comment section is astounding. Some of you need a few classes in basic English and sentence structure. You can disagree with Vincent without calling him names. It’s quite embarrassing and pathetic the way you people are attacking him for making very valid points. Why do you guys always bring up the Bible in these situations? The last time I checked a sin is a sin no matter how it is committed. Most of you attacking Vincent are liars, cheaters, thieves, adulterers and the list goes on. Stop using the Bible when it’s convient to you. HYPOCRITES!!!!

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    • We don't have to be punctual about defending our Christian values and the right to procreate. We will call out this freak show as we see it fitting.

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  43. Why do gay advocates think they have a right to voice their opinion and others shouldn't?

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    • The Battyman Organization only have strength and arm twisting for small nations. El Bulla why don't you write an open letter to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Russia, or Dubai and most African Countries and see who will give a rats ass.

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  44. Jesus come for your world because people are missing the point here !!!!! Everyone one who wants to divide the word of truth to suit they own needs damnation is nearer than you think if you want to do your nastiness is one thing but Jesus is no respecter of person... and he said not one tickle if his word shall go forth and come back void !!! Be mindful for all those who says there is no god remember 20 years in our eye is 20 days in gods eyes so yes he is coming again and very soon look at what’s going on in this sad world ??? Omg since when it was ok for man to be with man and woman with a woman this alone should explain this is wrong on all levels it’s an abomination and to be frank god will and can’t never accept that for one big reason .... it is stopping the reproduction of life !! The devil also makes provision for his soldiers to make them believe that he is the way so homosexual could careless once they are prosperous and still in the land of the living they are blessed .. there is news for us all who think we will make it there !!!

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  45. Sm, it is currently biologicall impossible for a man to concieve... reproduce, Homosexuality will result in the demise of the human race. I am sorry but I cant and wont support the end of the human race.
    You vague comparison with hetros who for one reason or the other cant reproduce is not comparable .
    The perpetuation of the human race is in the hands of hetros, please realise that. I am not dealing wirh other aspects of this abomination, I am being advised to be open minded, but SM there are limits.
    Guess what my view of the minister is that she is self promoting nican poop however on the value and role of the family in society we concur.

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  46. I am so sick of you gay people....yall want people to accept the nastiness yall do... go read you bible mam shouldn't be with man or woman with woman it's an abomination. ...

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    • man and woman shouldnt cheat either but we forget about that one.

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    • For this cause shall a man leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife.... and the two shall be one flesh.. Here is a family structure.. Las bull... we have hatred towards sin not humans.. if I condemn a thief , murderer, adulterer then I will also condemn bulling.. The thefts don't walk with placards asking the gov to decriminalize and so it is of a adulterer ,murderer.. we the majority who have populated the earth will always condemn your dead infertile ways.. I don't know why you bullaz want to live among us.. go on a island and open your own schools have your own hospitals ect.and our laws won't affect you.. So Go bull and you all will die cause there will be no reproduction..

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  47. I cannot understand why people are so against this. People acting like gay going to start having sex right in front of them. And all this talk about gay people going after children is ridiculous, gay people like the same sex, pedophiles like children, those are two different things.

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    • This is incorrect . Statistically homosexual men are significantly likely to be involved in paedophilia over heterosexual men.
      One of the big problems we have today with facts on homosexuality is that the liberal elites including the Universities are so tied up in gender politics that the bad facts about homosexuality are not published and hidden. In fact research that makes homosexuals look bad is doctored or suppressed by many leading universities and hidden by the media.
      It is a successful plan that has worked and our children have been brainwashed especially by Hollywood and the media who are now being proven to all be so perverted as we knew all along.

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  48. Stop dressing like a woman and misrepresenting yourself Vincent. Today you turn all kinds of characters to make a point.

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  49. You are not a woman Vincent and you will never be. Be your self and stop trying to be something you're not.

    All though it might be too late for that so my best advise to you is to stay in Europe you stand a better chance of living as a bulla over there.

    Saint Lucia ain't gonna be accepting people like you no time soon or if ever. Don't waste your time you Big Bulla !!

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    • Only because yall are so guttered minded..smh..it's sad this small island we live in...hence when we travel and we say we're from St Lucia the people frown and wonder...where the hell is that!! People are so small minded we will never grow if we could only just let things go of the hating judging envy etc etc!! Love the dinner hate the sin...many of you all judging Vincent could barely spell!! Smdh

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      • No idiot the reason why they don't know where it is cause they are ignorant just as much as you and don't know their map dumb fu**k !! And about the gutter... shoving your junk up someone's anus what's more gutter than that? May be your mouth cause it stinks...can't argue or debate me honey I will put you in check idiot !!

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  50. Who is going to read this?

    Hardly anyone.

    Bye.

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  51. Imagine that .. fighting for the right to bull ... Smfh

    Sarah I'm with you 100%

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  52. McDoom go look 4 someone to bull your backside. Stop trying to force us to accept your meg nasty ass! SMFH

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  53. Will a thief ever have rights to advocate for his cause? I think you people have enough rights as it stands no need to press the issue. Most of your statements are incriminatory in itself because nobody is judging you there are judging the act. However I like the fact that you have likened your vile actions to that of a sin and a crime because that's what people are actually searching for: the good in being gay. Is there any? If we have to take what you are saying that all men are sinners, I accept that but you want a right to commit one extra because gays also commit all other sins or crimes that "straight" people commit. Who says that gays don't rob, rape an murder!

    Most people and the whole animal kingdom accept male with female so I don't think they can be wrong so what you are in effect trying to say you want a right to have sex with anything. If you think that you have an urge to have sex with another man or a monkey please try to abstain. Don't try to persuade us that you are right and everybody should have that right.

    You said: "You seem to be oblivious to the fact that almost all the crimes committed in St. Lucia, including the molestation of children, rape, abortions, spouse beating, are committed by “straight” people."

    Ofcourse "straight" people do almost everything more than gays maybe except breaking the buggery law. If the majority of us are considered "straight" so where does that leave you? Even A child would guess "crooked."

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  54. The Bible is always mentioned in these arguments and I never understand why. Show me one human who does not sin on a daily basis consistently. Show me one human who does not commit gross sin numerous times in a year CONSISTENTLY. So why try to belittle a fellow man when you are just as bad in the eyes of God? Why must you force your own beliefs and preconceptions on other lives?

    I believe we all try to find happiness in life, which is the ultimate purpose of our 80 years on this rock. Live your life, enjoy it, be happy, because after you close your eyes in the next few decades there is nothing but eternal darkness waiting for you as I can assure you most of us won't be making it into heaven even if we like to fool ourselves into believing we will.

    For the few people with the strength of character to live their lives having positive influences in the lives of others, I commend you. You are doing what 95% of us aren't.

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  55. macdoom go to hell as a matter of fact stay there. WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE BUGGREY LAWS. you coming with all things from the bible talking about men sleeping with men in pauls time but guess what the bible also says there is noting new under the sun which means there are alot of things that were happening before that are still happening now so its not new.

    so stop trying to use these things to justify that what you decided to be is right. you want to talk and say Jesus is love and among other things but dont want to take into consideration the things he says about yall life style and other good things. you just want to take certain stuff from the bible and throw out the rest. and further more since you wrote that long essay whats supposed to happen? Sarah have to tremble cause you decided enough is enough? actually we have had enough. enough is enough of yall lgbt nonsense taking up space and affairs of things that have much more importance

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  56. After reading this knowledgeable information I truly feel enlightened...now whats up with that photo-shoot, is this part of bring your point across i don't get it??

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  57. VINCENT MASHH!! NASTY BOOLA!

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  58. Read the beginning; lost me at repeating statements.

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  59. Fire burn all your bullers stay in you'll nastiness and stop pushing people to accept you'll fuckery why you'll dont go back hiding stay undercover keep the kids safe from you'll.....how could you push ur dick up someone asshole #nasty fucker you

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    • Actually a lot of "straight" men do it to women and say it's ok, cause it's a female arse. Are you one of those "nasty fuckers"? Isn't an arse an arse? Stop being so frigging hypocritical.

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  60. If is bull and rub u all want to do so much anatartica is free and open, buy it/lease it/rent it and go there to do u all saloptay. Once someone does not agree with u all *$#holes its homophobic. What the hell. Tired of u all. Just go soemewhere and do whatever the hell u all want but stop trying to force ppl to accepting and condoning the saloptay u all doing.

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  61. If is bull and rub u all want to do so much anatartica is free and open, buy it/lease it/rent it and go there to do u all saloptay. Once someone does not agree with u all *$#holes its homophobic. What the hell. Tired of u all. Just go soemewhere and do whatever the hell u all want but stop trying to force ppl to accepting and condoning the saloptay u all doing.

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  62. Family and homosexuality are incongruent , family suggest reproduction. Same sex cannot reproduce although they are working hard at changing that.
    So minister Flood on that point I am with you
    As for the letter writer, you dont expect turkeys to vote for christmas

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    • George you one HYPOCRITE as you don't know shit what's going on St LUCIANS love hypocrisy lies DECEPTION and yes there are the tons of bisexual men in St Lucia didnt you know??guess not you focus on you and your lies and hypocrisy

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    • U so right geoge.the writer needs god

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    • Gosh! What age do you live in?
      How does your argument stand against the fact that many heterosexual couples CANNOT reproduce for one reason or another? Are you suggesting that they should not be raising kids simply because nature has somehow worked in their disfavour? Also, what do you have to say about heterosexual families that abuse children? Shouldn't children be in an environment that is premised on love, full stop, or are you saying that homosexual couples cannot love?

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      • But a bi sexual man is gay as he is definitely not "straight." So whats really your point in trying to justify a wrong pointing to another wrong? I guess thieves and murderers can point to others who got away to validate their existence and ask for rights.

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      • Love? What love? We are talking about corrupt morals. Show me the gay couple who are raising their child to be straight. So how is it natural that you are born gay when there is no gay gene? Vincent has admitted that it was sexual abuse which contributed to him being that way and if it did affect him as a child then definitely it will affect others. It was all born out of someonelse's perverted urge. You continue to blame nature when nature never suggested that you should have sex with anybody or anything when you have the urge to. aLets say you are a man and attracted to a beautiful woman would you go ahead and have sex if you knew that she had AIDS, would your urge now be so powerful for you to go ahead? Control yourself if your member offends you then cut it off. Up to now I cannot get one legitimate argument that would support gay. But its ironic that gays depend on the straight people to have families and continue providing the babies to keep the world running and pay for their advance on social security. With every right comes responsibility and I think the gay community should be responsible in advising people not to become gay.

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      • i am JERRY SPRINGER

        let them fellas get their own country to express freedom of expression.
        why do I have to give up my rights for theirs, it's wrong, besides most law books see such homosexuality as wrong,

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    • Saint lucia is braindead.

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