No camouflage should be worn in public – police reiterates

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Special Services Unit (SSU) Inspector Ricardo Innocent has sent out a stern reminder to all persons that the laws pertaining to military camouflage wear are still in effect.

“As it relates to camouflage the Public Order Act states clearly in Section 13 that no one should wear any camouflage material in public,” Innocent said on Police Insight on Sunday.

He also reminded that persons or groups who desire to be attired in camouflage must seek official permission from the Commissioner of Police of the Royal Saint Lucia Police Force (RSLPF).

Police Public Relations Officer Zachary Hippolyte questioned whether the law attains only to the material used by police, but the SSU inspector clarified that it doesn’t matter what colour of camouflage it is.

One caller said that she witnessed police officers stripping a man of his camouflage outfit, even though he had explained to the officers that he was not aware that it is prohibited.

But the officers criticized this move, stating that this should not have occurred. The question was then asked what should been done in the case that a person is seen wearing such a material.

“What I would do is give the individual a warning not to wear camouflage and if I recall and I see that same individual, I will proceed into effecting an arrest because it is against the laws,” Innocent said.

The inspector went on to say that the police have been a bit lackadaisical when it comes to this particular law, but noted the time will come when zero tolerance will be placed on persons wearing camouflage.

It was also brought to his attention that camouflage clothes are sometimes sold, and as much as there is a law to prevent persons from wearing the material, there isn’t any law to prevent persons from selling it.

But Inspector Innocent said that while there may be a very few stores engaging in the sale of these materials, he has not come across any and suggested that there might only be a small number.

The Saint Lucia Parliament had passed legislation banning members of the public from wearing camouflage outfits similar to those worn by the police, since July of 2010.

The then Prime Minister Stephenson King, who introduced the measure, had told the House that the police force had been requesting a review of the legislation dealing with the wearing of camouflage by civilians.

It was also noted that the private sector had been importing those outfits and they were worn at carnival time or other occasions, and has become part of “the ordinary man’s dress code.”

As a result, there were occasions when one could not have distinguished the difference between a policeman and a civilian.

Persons found in contravention of that law could be faced with a heavy fine from the court. Failure to pay the fine could result in a jail sentence.

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83 comments

  1. maybe they should ban regular clothes since the police sometimes wear regular clothes. let everyone walk naked that's the kind of logic this country has.

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  2. frustrated with ignorance

    smh at all of you... this is why we have problems in this country, all you talk about is how stupid the law is. whilst i agree that it is ridiculous for camouflage, not in the color of military uniforms to be outlawed, please remember people, a law is the law. so just follow it. the only laws we are not obligated to follow are those which conflict with the word of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So get over yourselves, stop making excuses and stop complaining.

    because guess what..... all that talk and Mr. Innocent, the government and the RSLPF will still charge you if they see you walking the street with any kind of camouflage on you. Your complaints won't change a thing. Just obey the law, and stay out of jail and/or court.

    And if my comments above don't say anything to you then think of the financial side to it. Think of the money you will save if you don't go to jail or court for something as stupid as wearing camouflage clothing.

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  3. pure crap! i wearing my camo anytime

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  4. 8oh ho ur comment made me lol....how do thry intimate people uh?

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  5. really INSPECTOR you gonna jail ppl for wearing clothing ,is that the level SSU has reached wow that an issue for the RSPF in 2015 to talk about wat ppl should wear ,

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  6. Sort out the crime and stop talking rubbish about clothing.

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  7. Ridiculous:
    It would be a human spectacles to see a dozen or so citizen walking naked because they have just been stripped of their clothing, probable walking up to the central police station to recover their clothing attire butt naked and being join by a dozen or more, seriously if Saint Lucians wants to start a nudist colony I am all for it just do it.
    One attire does not make them a criminal or a law breaker or a thug, be sensible and quit being ridiculous be careful not to undress the service personnel’s visiting your shores as you once did to me, I was unaware that such ignorance exist in Saint Lucia, I could have brought charges against your government, but some battles are just not worth it! If you want to act military develop your own brand of uniform quit copying from other nations. Camouflage are a style it’s just clothing not bombs.

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  8. Wow to the ignorant st lucians. I guess guns kill people and spoons make people fat. What we need to police is crime not attire.

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  9. Under what act which it says that it's against the law ignorant politicians and followers

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  10. "@ Freaking Hell". I can see that you don't know what the hell you talking about. But how could someone so blatantly lack understanding? Obviously laws are there for a reason, and in criminal law is for the protection of person and property. There is also a thin line in EVERY situation between something being lawful and unlawful and thats why the court is there. It is also obvious that Parliament passes laws. However, it is left up to the police to SPECULATE whether someone has contravened the law and thats why that they can only charge you. It is the duty of the Court to determine whether in fact the police are right or wrong. The court does that by looking at the intention with which the law was pass, example, whether is was passed deliberately that you would be denied common sense. This interpretationb can only be done using the intention in the language used by the parliamentarians when enacting the law. This is called a "purposive approach to judicial interpretation."

    So to compare that situation with a going to buy an illegal drug is absurd, because a law prohibiting the use of illicit drugs was meant to protect the individual from the damage it could inflict. Now tell me what damage could the wearing of red camos inflict. Laws are never made or to be seen as a law unto themselves because it would not be in the spirit of any human right as it would lack justification. Get that word J-U-S-T-I-fication, its all about justice. Now maybe the law to deny you common sense was a good one since it was a good reason.

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  11. I have a proposal.
    If the SSU wore a crest on their camo, as they do consider it uniform, there'd be no reason to outlaw it for commoners.

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  12. Flourescent orange camo gear is only useful if the battlefield is a bag of cheetos. Our SSU are a bunch of cheese puffs.

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  13. This police so-called Law should be put to the House for debate. We are Patriotic citizens of the British Commonwealth .We are not in anyway a Communists country where these laws are enforced,this is a form of Dictatorship / Bullying .Preying on the weak. Is this best RSLP can do to try and curb the crime rate which in skyrocketing yearly? WE need more sensible / educated and qualified leaders to make smart and well calculated decisions instead of this Robocop attitude which tends to instill fear and disrespect in the minds and eyes of our citizens.
    Fighting Crime and keeping the peace is not an easy profession by any means.We have to once again to Educate our Police men and Women so that they will be able to make judgement calls in difficult situations even when their lives and others are threatened. Politeness / Respect / learn how to speak to others with firmness and intelligence ,these qualities can become a tool to control many potential and uncertain criminal activities scenarios..

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  14. Ppl why all the drama!??? It's that very type entitlement that causes the total disregard for the law. Cuz we all feel we know what the law shud and shudnt be...It's not only SLU with this law. Why do we like to put our personal opinion of what's stupid and what's not. I'm not saying archaic laws can't be challenged...afterall we need that type of scrutiny for reform and change...however CLEARLY THE LAW IS THERE FOR A REASON! Whether it be due to past occurrences of people dressing up and committing offenses or just out of respect for those in authority...you are not SSU why wear it?

    I do not agree with stripping someone's clothing, but a warning would suffice for first time offenders.

    My friend went to Bermuda for example and she had a camo dress on her way back...she had to go into her suitcase to get a different attire cuz they would not let her board the plane.

    The open defiance on this subject is astounding. Regardless of the shade of colour or whether it's similar to or not...you are not part of the military so just avoid using it plain and simple...

    PS not because they sell weed and drugs out there you buy it right? So meme bete! Not cuz stores sell it u shud buy or it means it's OK to buy.

    Overall there should be some form of public sensitization on the subject so that citizens are more aware of the reason behind it. No one is saying 'cuz u in the attire u will commit a crime..but u just never know with all the psychos out there.

    It's in place to reduce the possibility of misuse.

    xo

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    • Seriously shade or color doesn't apply. Fluorescent orange camo?????? Get outta here with this bullshit.

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    • Stop talking (for lack of a better term) shit, u idiot. Misuse of what? Criminals out here everyday committing crimes in ordinary clothes, would u seek to outlaw normal civilian clothing as well? U seem to be one of the idiots who know nothing about living in a democratic society. The American Military Forces utilize various colours of camo and they still allow civilians to wear it without any trouble and their population is much higher. So idiot, what are u really getting at?

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  15. i think this action should take a little time before using full force. remember st. lucia is a tourist destination and this material is worn in other countries . for example just neighbouring island martinique this material is worn like a every day outfit. so take for example one is visiting st. lucia for the first time and the only kind of material outfit he has in his bag innocent of the law , what is the circumstance going to be?. officer innocent need s to consider his law. this is stupid. your police officer uses this uniform to engage in dirty acts too. i 'M NOT SAYING THAT I DISAGREE with the law , all i'm saying is that give it some time and take the right steps to prevent problems. i know that this law exists and most time i caution people i see wearing it but remember i can reach every body. and one other thing don't used your power to increase problems in the country . use it wisely.

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  16. Innocent is wrong. There is no law banning camouflage per se. This is part of the reason that stores and importers are not prevented from selling it. The Act has to be read in light of the Public Order Act and was clarified by the 2010 Act is that the law has to be read in a way that the clothing must not bear similarity or worn in way to impersonate a police officer. In light of this, clothing such as short pants, shades of other colors like red and blue cannot be attributable to the impersonation of an officer. Example, what if someone has a bag in camouflage? It stands to reason that it is not the color that is illegal. Therefore, the police or the state can be found by the court as acting ultra vires the Act if they consider all camouflage clothing as illegal. All one has to do to win their case is submit hansard for the particular period for 2010 in evidence. The court has a duty to interpret any act specifically in the spirit of what was the intention of parliament, especially when dealing with legislation which seeks to curtail the rights of individuals. The intention of parliament was to prevent the impersonation of officers and not to prevent persons from wearing a color per se. Therefore the police have to match the act with the person's intention.

    What the police have been doing is WRONG. Since they know that they have over-stepped the powers given by the Act they have resorted to stripping persons in public rather than going to court to determine the person's guilt under the Act. I dare Innocent or any police officer challenge me on this issue as i await the day when they strip any of my family in public. You should charge him officer (this is your job)not submit him to degrading treatment. The police has no right to strip any body. This can be viewed in the same light as cutting someone's hair in public.

    This now leads me to another issue. What power does a registered armed military force have to police citizens. The SSU was created as a special military group and is trained as such, what business does it have to police ordinary citizens? In any democratic country does the military have the power to do ordinary police duties? It ALWAYS redounds to problems when a government unleashes its military on its people. All the allegations of police brutality and unlawful killings of mentally challenged and civilians are testimony to this. These people are trained for militarized situations and not for ordinary police duties. It is time the government recognize this of one of the fundamentals of restoring a lawful police service. The US has identified the SSU in a number of State Department Reports as being a militarized force, and with such distinction made, the use of this force on ordinary citizens would come in for criticism.

    You think the Government doesn't know that? HE HAW!!!! All they try to do is to keep you ignorant and subservient. You think that La Corbiniere cannot come and clarify what Innocent has failed to do. But who knows it could well be that this is the message he was instructed to convey. "Lets trample their rights so they remain docile in accepting that we are their masters."

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  17. Seriously what you police need to concentrate on is the crime in the country how about getting your asses together to go solve the latest rape cases which i think is of utmost urgency.... what about the other cases that haven`t been solved for this year as well... what about the crime lab I don`t hear or see you guys voicing your concerns about this so passionately ....... where the attention matters no one really gives a shit....but with this useless rubbish you want to take the public to task.... come on now..... here in Canada/Usa you can wear comoflage..... am not sure what is the reasoning behind this rule what exactly is the reason someone can`t wear that

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  18. this law needs to be reviewed. Does everyone participating in la rose and la marguerite get police permission to dress just like the police?

    There needs to be a law on camouflage but not one that is not so absurd that a reasonable person would think that this law is wrong.

    The police cannot have autonomy on all camouflage.

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  19. Police again ....
    Now seriously, I see tourists wearing camo and nothing! I see some residents wearing camo and nothing! The police pick who to harass and embarrass in camo.
    Next, Bordelais has a unit that wears camo. They more corrupt! Strip them of their camo first then talk to civilians.

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  20. This law makes no sense when it comes to camouflage clothing that is not the same colour as the SSU or thee same style. i cannot imagine a SSU officer wearing a camouflage short pants with a brand name logo printed all over it to work. Even so if the camouflage is not green and brown with the same design pattern as the Police then it is not the same thing. How could Stephenson king and our law makers even agree to this as it it absolutely absurd! The definition of camouflage specifically calls out that it is the green and brown that hunters and military use, but if the colour is different to that then the Police have no right to take it away because it is not camouflage under the definition. lucians don't let the police take you for a fool when they pee in your eye and tell you it is rain.

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  21. What is the definition of camouflage. It is the brown and green material worn by military and hunters so

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  22. Lucian need to know their rights cauee am i positive that no police office will strip off any tourist clothes in the street.... we understand that wearing camouflage used by the police is prohibited. .. but someone wearing a pink , green blue purple camouflage is not part of the police uniform so why cant it he worn

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  23. Tht ting self not making no sense. Where st.lucia police got camo from? Did they design their own?

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  24. Secret service unit is not an army so y don't they wear a different type of clothing like a swat uniform ,they use this uniform to intimate our people one look at the uniform and u scared

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    • Your comment shows your ignorance...SSU is SPECIAL Services Unit...if you know not of what you speak it is best that you keep quiet

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  25. It's ridiculous to ban all camo,especially shorts and baseball caps, everyone knows police don't wear that shit,so is it OK to wear a striped pants with a white two pocket shirt since the law makes no mention of that.police are the biggest drug and gun dealers,customs has the most crooks,politicians are the biggest thieves,St.Lucia government can't fix a falling disgraceful airport,can't provide good roads,can't take care of senior citizens,worst hospital,schools falling apart,high gas prices and one of the highest tax rates in the world,including taxes on food and medicine,a dirty country with garbage every where,poor infrastructure,homelessness is a disgrace especially in Castrsies,by the market smells,police don't serve and protect citizens,they are always quick to abuse people in custody,all of these important issues and they want to focus on camo wear,seriously.this should be the least of our worries as far as I'm concerned.repeal that stupid law,this type of clothes could be what's keeping tax paying small businesses in business.give people a break to be happy citizens,government don't follow their own laws and none of them paying fines or going to jail.

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  26. The people who head those decisions are so stupid. So now I'd you see a child with a dress or skirt or bra for the second time you will persecute them. What about an athlete with a camo tights? Or a guy with a simple camo vest? You guys are mad....please abolish or amend this law.

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  27. The way I see it is that camouflage should be use for hiding purposes. why do the force use it in public again? That's uniform for the bushes. Isn't it? Why would you want to compete with fashion in towns and cities? Why do we behave so dumb? You guys can't even use the right tool for the right job? Smh. I say stop harassing the people and amend the law to make everyone happy. Start by realising that you are wearing the wrong uniform in certain places. Serve and protect.

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  28. fellas raping girls left right but yall worrying about camouflage pants smh seriously!

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  29. Nonsense st. Lucia police force can't even slove a crime so now they bunning clothes...

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  30. No police have the right to make me move my como in public.If it is a crime bring me down but don't try and tell me move my clothes on the streets .I never saw them move it on a female a bias ting dat.

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  31. So you are saying that it is legal to buy a ccommodity but illegal to use it. Boy oh boy!! Only in St. Lucia!

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  32. So much for our freedom.

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  33. This is so much B****s. One should have the ability to wear whatever he or she pleases, if it meets some level of decency. Who decides what's camouflage apparel or not. This can lead to a very slippery slope.

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  34. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

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  35. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

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  36. This law makes no sense at all..if it is illegal ..why allow speculators to sell it...government gladly takes their money and then say its illegal for people to wear....What hypocrisy...that's some BULLSHIT right there!

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  37. What in the flipping flupe... Tell those officers to also avoid wearing camoflage when they on their bon tan ok... because they are flaunting what they can do ....when they're in uniform thats the only time they should be wearing it...and inform the ppl at customs that they should not say anything when they see it in my bag...because apparently i can wear it behind closed doors ...and define military camoflage to them cuz I dont remember seeing blue camo on any officer so uh ....this law makes no sense to moi at all.

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  38. St Lucia is getting more stupid everyday. Wearing a certain print is a crime.......the real crime cant even be controlled but putting clothes made from a certain print will get u in jail. Why not wear a damn crest to distinguish?

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  39. Seriously them take a walk through town and take them from the store owners charge them as well. Always focusing on the small citizen start with the store owners Mango, Hobbie and Hang Ten start with the top not the poor man walking in town with his clothes if it is illegal why allow it to be sold. Do we allow marijuana in the stores. Those laws are so old and need revisiting

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  40. Dats real shit....there are betya tings dat shud be prohibited dan dat...urll eh seeing it at all

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    • I cannot understand why some people would be against this legislation. It is for our protection. Criminals are being disguised as SSU to rape, steal and kill. Come on now fellow St. Lucians...

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  41. Sir you should start with police officers. Ive seem more police officers with Camouflage clothing in public. Im talking about shorts, t shirts, nothing associated with the SSU.

    Live by example for a start

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  42. So why don't you'll pass a law that prohibits someone from wearing a white short sleeves shirt with two front pockets because that's also police uniform. You'll fools...

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  43. .....But then it's ok to try to LEGALIZE that GAY/LESBIAN thing... Just allow people to wear their clothing camouflage or not!!! That shouldn't be an ISSUE!!...SMH!!

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    • confusing ur own self? its ok to allow them to wear whatever they want, but gays/ lesbians are not allowed to live as they plz. have several seats hun and plz go away.

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  44. Stores cannnot be prohibited from selling the camouflage clothing.. but civilians can be punished for wearing it ? Makes absolutely NO sense .. SMH. That law should be revisited . Seriously.

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  45. Look like these police do not know what they are talking about. Camouflage clothing is not prohibited it is restricted. One must have a permit from the commissioner of police to import it. So that is the reason that it should not be taken from anyone wearing it in public. Questioned should be asked and if you do not have a permit to import it you should be warned, A permit must be request from the COP to import for sale. which most likely will be refused. The police has the right to enter any store suspect of selling camouflage clothing and if any is found, they should request the permit from the owner of the shop. If none was requested by the store owner when imported or was refused, the matter could be referred to Customs since smuggling is possible or collusion with a customs officer.

    Barbados has been very strict with this law. It is our police uniform. What should be the reaction of the police if civilian is wearing the regular police uniform. What would you think? Would you be suspicious of that person. I agree it has become fashion. Should we forget that it s part of our police uniform? For those saying that it is part of the USA army uniform and civilians uses it. In my opinion it is different. The soldiers in the USA do not do the job of a police. They most likely don't patrol the street or deal with crime. Will a civilian go at a private home, in the USA, with camouflage, and say they are the police on duty?

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  46. That's some bs.there are far more stuff to be deli with.... Police are more drug dealers this day n now..who have which ones in their pocket ..lil island like dat so few ppl nothing can't be solved.. In the uk have millions and it not a problem... Here it is..such marshieeee

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  47. thats why i dont vote... saint lucia police force and government is useless

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  48. striping a man of his camouflage outfit..... but the ladies walk by with it an nutting happens

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  49. As a police officer I must say that law is not necessary if u want officers to be addressed by their ranks or specialty u need uniforms stating what unit they are from not just a color and beside st Lucia has to much more serious crime to worry about victimless crimes should be the last thing to address

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    • As a police officer you should know better as to voice your opinion to your superiors and board or "powers" that be rather a message board. Your points are valid, but what exactly do you expect out of here?

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      • he expects the same shit as everyone else here. to voice is opinion! now stfu if u have nothing to say. and officer thanks for your input it good to know not all officers support this retard move

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      • What would the superiors do...what would they change ?the laws? smh ..... police cannot change the laws.

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    • As an officer you should understand that the purpose of camouflaged clothing is to make less detectable and therefore outlawing it , enhances the police ability to detect criminals.

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  50. So many clothing stores I see selling camouflage. I really thought that law was out the window. My 4yr old daughter has a pink camouflage top, would this piece of clothing be seized? SMFH

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  51. Mr innocent sir are we fighting crime or fashion..... Beacuse there is over 23 styles off comouflage in style from pum pum short to hoodies.

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  52. THERE ARE EVEN STORES OWNED BY POLICE OFFICERS WHO SELL THOSE.. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SEIZED ON ENTRY LIKE IN BARBADOS...

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  53. That's trash u don't want people to wear the material then ban the speculators from selling it how expensive

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  54. There is too much ambiguity in the law. There should be zero tolerance when it comes to law enforcement. Given that people may not be aware of the fairly new law, just simply raise the awareness through the media until it is deemed sufficient. Here is what I find absurd. "Only a few stores are selling the material". Does it occur to the inspector that a few store can sell a lot of the prohibited stuff and I still don't know if it is prohibited to sell or buy the material. I believe it should begin with the stores.

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  55. They still have that ol' stupid law!!!!! The US that has different law enforcers wearing camouflage in some colors don't even have that law... a lil SSU we have your'll want to implement that! REVISIT SA! People wear that as a style of clothing not because we want to impersonate your'll chewpssssss

    I remember at a carnival event they wanted to hol a dude for wearing a piece of camouflage clothing but when he told them he not from here and they let him pass

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  56. Like seriously wht is wrong with our government?? Soo many important issues to be resolved n this is wht they up to.......

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  57. It's high time they erase that law from the books cuz to me it makes no sense. Wat about the rights of the individual. So if I have on a red then I am subject to b arrest. Only in St Lucia and some parts of the Caribbean that shit happens. But I wanna know wats the purpose of that law

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  58. This is ludicrous.... I can remember ever reading any article that stated a man clad in a blue camouflage arrested any body or what ever other colors people prefer to wear it in or I also never seen men of the law in cargo camouflage or three quarter camouflage pants. It is quiet easy to differentiate one from the other... So where is the issue here again?

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  59. You will put somebody in jail. For clothes. When there more crime. Jail will be over crowed. Soon

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  60. I agree with this law. Some persons have been using these camouflage to impersonator officers. Some citizens can't tell the difference so this preemptive move is good. For those worried about what tourist think, I don't see your point. Yall go overseas and follow all the crazy laws but anytime the government try to put a little law and order in your home land you get on like uncivilised fools. If the tourist don't want to follow our laws they can stay home.

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  61. i`ve always wondered if its illegal on vehicles cuz what if i spray my car in camo i dont want any bullshit cuz non of their vehicles are in camouflage.cuz sum of dem ignorant like gorillas

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  62. “As it relates to camouflage the Public Order Act states clearly in Section 13 that no one should wear any camouflage material in public,” read and post the entire act!! I'm sure that's not all it states.

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  63. Stop the importation and if is is a law eveyone should be held accountable. No exceptions.

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  64. "It was also brought to his attention that camouflage clothes are sometimes sold, and as much as there is a law to prevent persons from wearing the material, there isn’t any law to prevent persons from selling it.

    But Inspector Innocent said that while there may be a very few stores engaging in the sale of these materials, he has not come across any and suggested that there might only be a small number."

    "THAT IS A BLATANT LIE".

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    • Goes to show how much they lie. Im sure I can get a camo shorts or vest if I go to a town right now. Will they raid these stores and cease the clothes? No.

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  65. Ok, no problem with that. The law is the law and if it's prohibited, then so be it.
    But please, of all the laws to enforce and strictly pursue, this one?
    The island is rife with crime, people are in possession of dangerous weapons, etc. Enforce laws against those offences and enforce the penalties also

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  66. With all what is happening, we are focusing on clothes?

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  67. Pappyshow!!!!!!!! IN THIS DAY AND AGE...............Focus on reducing the crime levels intead of wasting tax payers money talking about trivia nonsense, you need to specify comouflage colour because the world over this is a fashion, Don't the persons that prevail know that this can turn tourist off geeze man!
    We are regressing not progressing!!!!

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