“I don’t know where this report came from that crime was up” – Chastanet

By SNO Staff

Prime Minister Allen Chastanet

Prime Minister Allen Chastanet is puzzled by reports that indicate crime is on the increase.

Chastanet said he is aware that the number of homicides have increased — to a “record” 54 — but not crime in general.

At the Nov. 24, 2017 crime symposium, the police reported an increase in most major crime categories and a 10 percent increase in reported crimes from January to September — compared to the same period in 2016.

“I want to respond to that because I know that the number of homicides are up and that’s a record number, and it’s very, very disturbing. But I don’t know where this report came from that crime was up,” Chastanet said as he responded to a reporter’s question at the Dec. 4 pre-Cabinet press briefing

However, the prime minister said that his government has a solution for the homicide problem but noted that the solution won’t happen overnight.

“The reports that I’ve seen certainly have indicated that all the levels of crime are down. But that’s not to satisfy us. And certainly I am not banking on that to justify the level of homicide[s]…but I continue to say, my administration continues to say, that we do have a solution for the homicide problem. We came into government promising that we have a solution but unfortunately, that solution is not something that’s gonna happen overnight.”

He pointed out some of the achievements by his government since they took office just over a year ago.

“When we came into office, there was no coast guard, there was no marine police units working. Zero. Hopefully, we understand what that means. There was no surveillance The two radar systems were not working. The forensic lab was closed. There was no DPP. And …the DPP’s office was diminished, depleted in personnel and in resources.”

“In one year and a half with Leahy Law still imposed upon us, we have gotten seven coast guard boats up and running. I am happy to see the Defender is going back out as well. We have the DPP. We have hired new lawyers. We’ve given them new equipment… We have the forensics lab not working fully but on some basic stuff. We’re now addressing the court system.”

Chastanet also disclosed that a $34-million new Hall of Justice will be built under his government.

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37 comments

  1. Well from what I understand by reading this article Chastanet is somebody who goes by evidence and records and not by what people say. I tend to agree with that as I am an evidence person also. Officials can say what they want but if the want what they say to have any sort of authenticity they must put it in writing and make it a public document. For to long I have heard officials coming in the media and making outlandish and unsubstantiated claims without any document to back that up. That is the difference between rumor and fact, between politics and facts. I make no apologies about being that way because there must be left a trail of evidence and research for the people anytime we decide to use taxpayers money to do anything. For all the hospitals that we are building have we done any research to satisfy ourselves, for example, that they are within the best suited (so they can be adequately utilized) areas or do we really need them? Take the OKEU, DGS Cricket Ground, The so-called four lane highway, the national stadium for examples. Are these multi-million dollar structures properly situated, do they sever their purposes and do we have the capacity to maintain them? This are the questions St. Lucians should be asking themselves, and it should be the questions asked even before such things are constructed. The previous regime was about to embark on multi-million dollar admistrative building in Vieux Fort, but was that a right decision especially in a country where all our capital projects don't pay for themselves but rather have to be financed by loans on backs of poor people. The international community is now saying if we can finance such outlandish projects that they themselves would not even undertake in their own circumstance, then why are we asking them for funding or even declaring ourselves as poor and vulnerable.

    We have to be spending within our means and records and information is what will guide us to making such decisions. It will also protect us against fake news and propaganda that has been so widespread especially on the internet. We have alleged public records floating on the internet which have never been seen by the departments responsible for them. So tell me is the PM wrong for wanting to see the report or saying he has never seen a report saying crime was up? . people are too quick to infer what statements mean and don't give credence to what is actually said, that problem stems from a cultural disregard for and a lack of information literacy skills. GET INFORMATION LITERATE and don't be a sheep following goats

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    • Smh The Police have reported that crimes on a whole has increased, there is an article on this very site stating that the name of it is " Police official reports increase in crime, but minister says symposium won’t be just talk". So the information came from the people who in charge of the situation you know the police !. I dont why you bringing up hospitals, stadiums and highways? This is about crime, maybe the prime minister should talk more with his security minister and he will know where the report came from.

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    • What is this COCO MACAC TALKING ABOUT HERE?!!

      We talking about crime statistics that the police have on record from January to September and released and the analisis is that crime is up.

      This SMART ASS is talking about hospitals, spending, cricket grounds, highways... Wrong forum you big dummy!!

      BUT WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THESE IDIOTS AMONGST US? 😡😡

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    • You can’t defend the indefensible. We do not need a report to know that crime is up...who feels it knows it!

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  2. What is the big well-dere-dere on about? Yes crime is up. You still have the rest of your term in office to make the country safe again. Remember that was your election pledge

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  3. The truth is that when our leaders appear to be oblivious of what is truly happening in the country,I can assume that we are our own as citizens.The 54 homicides do no justice to the number of woundings,maimings,stabbings and many unreported incidents of crime.As A matter of fact even the police are at A loss as to how to go about solving some of these crimes.We lack adequate forensic facilities, and this is one of the more conventional crime solving tools in any society.At the end of the day We are basically left to fend for ourselves.But the blame game will not solve anything.Communities have to come together to form neighborhood watches.Better training especially for security personnel.The truth is that we are evolving into A prototype of the American society and all the negative influences that come along with it.

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  4. "But I don’t know where this report came from that crime was up,”
    I can understand this statement because Mr. Pm was wearing his green shirt over in Jamaica when the police held that forum presenting the statistics. Such a dedicated leader this man.

    “The reports that I’ve seen certainly have indicated that all the levels of crime are down. "
    Now this statement has me puzzled.
    Where did these reports come from ?
    Was he holding the Police Report upside down?
    Is he being honest or is he just trying to save face while shitting all over the police force and his Minister of Internal Affairs.

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  5. What a jackass....STOP INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE [email protected]

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  6. The PM wants to know where the report of crime having increased came from? Well let him check his own Acting Superintendent Elvis Thomas of the RSLPF. That's where it came from and that has been carried on electronic news outlets. so PM why did your minister hold the symposium if things were not so bad? Also why is the Minister of National Security quiet and not backing the PM on what he is saying?

    Maybe if the PM was on island and had attended the symposium he would have gotten it first hand. Wishful thinking and denial will not blow the problem away or solve it.

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  7. Perhaps you should try to stay at least one week in st lucia Mr Chastanet and you will know for sure what is going on. How long do you think you can fool the people of this country you are just sucking us dry nothing is forever. La mere bell navejay.

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  8. At the Nov. 24, 2017 crime symposium, the police reported an increase in most major crime categories and a 10 percent increase in reported crimes from January to September — compared to the same period in 2016.

    So what the hell is this mam saying? How do you solve a problem without acknowledging it. Kick these people out. They more concerned about what gays doing in their adult bedrooms than the people getting raped and robbed.

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  9. Cleary you are not in tune with what is going on in this country. Stop deceiving the people. #Shameless.

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  10. concern with the people

    He travel ever so often that he forgot what happen to the country he is suppose to govern . Instead he lead., he runs and therefore he is in denial that crime is on the risea

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  11. concern with the people

    He travel ever so often that he forgot what happen to the country he is suppose to govern . Instead he lead., he runs and therefore he is in denial that crime is on the rise

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  12. Really !😮 Saint Lucians should sleep well because crime is not on the rise...HA !!

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  13. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I have to laugh at this guy. Dumfounded and out of touch he don't know what to think. Crime is down ?? Really ?? He has not idea about the third most pressing issue facing St Lucians as the prime minster of the country. THE ABSOLUTE SHAME OF IT !!

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  14. Don't listen to them fellas. Fellas will say anything to save their soul CRIME IS ON THE RISE OK. You know it, I know it.

    Same shit they said about adding 5000 jobs to the economy and no one can see where those jobs were added. Think for yourselves Lucians and don't let people put caca in your head.

    Allan promise to fix the crime situation and he ain't deliver yet, so obviously damage control in full effect. And it is evident in the statement below:

    "When we came into office, there was no coast guard, there was no marine police units working. Zero. Hopefully, we understand what that means. There was no surveillance The two radar systems were not working. The forensic lab was closed. There was no DPP. And …the DPP’s office was diminished, depleted in personnel and in resources.”

    THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS YOU KNEW THE SITUATION BEFORE YOU RAN FOR OFFICE AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD FIX IT...SO IT IS YOUR JOB TO FIX IT, that's what you getting paid to do... NO EXCUSES MAN UP !!

    and by the way Homicide is crime, so even if you had zero robberies and zero car theft and zero stabbing etc etc and your crime rate spike more than previous years crime has increased.

    As a matter of fact if you're so confident that crime is down publish the numbers. That's a good way of assuring Saint Lucians that what you have implemented is working.

    Until then it's all political lip service as usual. PUBLISH THE NUMBERS of robberies, car theft stabbings etc etc and compare to last year

    NO GIMMICKS I think that's fair.

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  15. Interesting that the head of state does not know that there has been an increase in crime. Listening to our PM say that he has no resolution to the homicide problem facing the country presently, says a lot about the state of affairs in this country. Wasn’t this one of the areas he was criticizing the past administration about. Load help us!!!

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  16. Is the prime minister a frigging gorgor or what ?

    There are more murders this year than last year added to robberies and other crimes. So how the hell crime is not up?

    So in your world homocides is not concidered crime? It seems like a case of a gorgor playing smart and not being cleaver.

    If you ain't got nothing to say keep the jaw shut !!!

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  17. u serious Chas? u think i care about a fella taking purses as much as him gunning people down left right and center? yes crime is up. and your minister on no national security is useless.

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  18. That is not what the Hurricane said while he was opposing. Even while reports of Crime in general was down, including homicides, he (the Hurricane), touted that crime was up and "he would fix it". Yes, this Hurricane is a major disaster!

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  19. Difference between Crime and Homicide
    Crime

    I hope this help you understand the difference

    Whenever an offense is committed against the criminal code that governs a society, a crime is committed. Criminal acts are not limited to taking another person’s life; they go further and include acts such as: robbery, assault, rape, enslavement of other persons, mistreating the family or the couple, not taking responsibility for children and any other act that goes against the penal code.
    Crime and crime are synonymous and depending on the country in which they live there may be some actions that are considered criminal or not. For example, in most Western countries it is a crime for an adult to have a relationship or to marry someone under age; but there are places where it is not something penalized and even socially acceptable.
    Homicide
    On the other hand, it is called murder to the criminal act that consists in taking the life of another person. To commit homicide does not necessarily require recourse to direct actions; also, the omission of certain actions can result in homicidal acts.
    Although in a general sense it is a highly penalized crime, there are cases where the homicide is not condemned by law (regardless of whether or not his guilt is proven); for example, in cases where homicide is committed in self-defense, when it is ordered by someone in command or higher rank (eg military), when it is necessary to avoid more serious crimes and when it is a legal duty: when an offender is executed).
    There are different types of homicides depending on the relationship between homicide and victim or the status, rank or position occupied by the victim in society. Also, depending on the motivations and the number of victims, homicide is categorized differently. Something important to emphasize is that homicide and murder are not synonymous words, since in the second case it is a more serious act that is usually done with premeditation and intention. Finally, how could you realize after reading all this information; a homicide is always a crime (excepting some cases mentioned above), but not all crimes carry homicide.

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  20. Ti Chas shows he's a psychopath - homicide is not a crime!

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  21. Really?

    Homicide is ONE type of crime but rape, burglary, larceny, property crimes, domestic violence, sexual abuse, drug related crimes, traffic offences, etc, etc and plenty etc. are other types.

    Just because homicides are at a record level (probably rape as well), doesn't mean that all crime is on the increase.

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    • If crime is a blanket term used for all those you said then an increase in any means an increase in crime unless there is a decrease in another(no decrease has been reported so....). There is no "all crime" there is crime and there is not.

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  22. wait but what is the difference between crime and homicides

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    • Homicide falls under crime..

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    • Really?

      Homicide is ONE type of crime but rape, burglary, larceny, property crimes, domestic violence, sexual abuse, drug related crimes, traffic offences, etc, etc and plenty etc. are other types.

      Just because homicides are at a record level (probably rape as well), doesn't mean that all crime is on the increase.

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    • Ebeh bor gorgor.

      Smh. You have to show your ignorance so. I bet you have a phone 'SMARTer' than you. It is not only for watching porn. Choops.

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  23. My, my.....

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  24. wait but what is the difference between crime and homicides

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    • In a nutshell: Homicide is killing someone. Crime includes homicide, stealing, etc.

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    • AGAIN. Ebeh bor gorgor.

      Smh. You have to show your ignorance so. I bet you have a phone 'SMARTer' than you. It is not only for watching porn. Choops.

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