CCJ gets support from NYC

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CCJ gets support from NYC
NYC President Timothy Ferdinand
NYC President Timothy Ferdinand

The National Youth Council (NYC) has placed its support behind the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) and has called on individuals in the region to do the same.

Saint Lucia has communicated its intention to sever ties with the British-owned Privy Council in order to make the CCJ its final appellate court.

While stating that he did not wish to partake in any political debate on the matter, NYC Leader Timothy Ferdinand told Saint Lucia News Online (SNO) that it is rather “sad” that individuals in society fail to put their trust in the people they elect to lead their countries.

Just recently, the Lucian People’s Movement (LPM) in a press release called on opposition parties in the region to reject the CCJ for fear that if it is installed without the general consent of citizens of the OECS, political interference will be rampant in matters of law which the CCJ handles.

The party’s leader Therold Prudent said in the release that making the CCJ the final court here “would not only serve to devalue the principles of democracy, but could also eventually ensure that both the legal and political systems are controlled” in the region.

But Ferdinand, in an invited comment, told SNO: “It is very sad that … we cannot have faith or trust in the unbiasness of Caribbean citizens in running the Caribbean Court of Justice. That is very sad.”

“…We really need our leaders and individuals in the Caribbean who are of prominence to be very objective in their approach to Caribbean Community,” he further stated.

Ferdinand also noted that he believes in the principles of democracy and that the people should be given an opportunity to decide whether they want the CCJ.

“We should look at or weigh the benefits of going to the people as opposed to taking a political decision or court decision to not go through a referendum…,” he said.

Incoming chairman of the Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States (OECS) Prime Minister of Dominica Roosevelt Skerrit said recently that he is eager to have all member states acceding to the CCJ as their final appellate court, during his tenure as chairman of the OECS.

Skerrit will assume chairmanship of the OECS for a 12-month period at the next OECS Heads of Government meeting. He said he believes that the CCJ is important for regional development.

In her throne speech in May this year, Governor General Dame Pearlette Louisy said that St. Lucia would follow the position adopted by Dominica in its move to become a full member of the Trinidad-based CCJ.

During her speech, she said that St. Lucia would write to the British government on the island’s move to join the CCJ.

Following a court battle in 2013, the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court of Appeal had ruled that St Lucia does not require a referendum before becoming a full member of the CCJ.

A referendum is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to vote on a particular proposal.

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  1. Why are they afraid of a referendum? Dictatorship is where the people have no voice, and we're supposed to be a democracy.

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  2. The following comment I make, I make with absolutely no apologies! After reading most of these comments, I have recognized that most of you have agendas. You may have a personal dislike of the PM or you belong to the UWP or some other organization. You who have called this young man (in essence) unenlightened, a singer for his meal, non researching idiot, etc., have provided no substance for your attacks on him.

    If you are against the CCJ, provide your reasons of substance. Just saying our PM and other PMs of the region will influence the decision making of the court or our PM will seat as one of the judges are not substance enough.

    Just remember one thing though, the Privy counsel will (and is beginning) be tired of us (caribbean territories) and one day drop us like a hot potato. Additionally, other than the Caribbean approximately four other countries subscribe to the Privy counsel but the Caribbean takes up most of their time.

    Do you think Geaorge W. Bush allowed any Supreme Court justice in who would not push his agenda? Absolutely not! The Republicans will place conservatives who will rally around their agendas while the democrats will place liberals. And to think y'all admire the US.

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  3. But Ferdinand, in an invited comment, told SNO: “It is very sad that … we cannot have faith or trust in the unbiasness of Caribbean citizens in running the Caribbean Court of Justice. That is very sad.” “…We really need our leaders and individuals in the Caribbean who are of prominence to be very objective in their approach to Caribbean Community,” he further stated. Ferdinand also noted that he believes in the principles of democracy and that the people should be given an opportunity to decide whether they want the CCJ. “We should look at or weigh the benefits of going to the people as opposed to taking a political decision or court decision to not go through a referendum…"

    In this extract How many reasons did he give which made him formulate an opinion on why we should have CCJ? The only thing he says there which could incline him to make such a decision is “It is very sad that … we cannot have faith or trust in the unbiasness of Caribbean citizens in running the Caribbean Court of Justice. That is very sad.”

    What he is essentially saying is that he believes that people should trust the system based on FAITH in those who would be running it.

    The other comments were not necessarily made about why he supports CCJ per se. And ofcourse he is entitled to his opinion. But the critique is an opinion based on what? FAITH?

    We must always use facts to support an oppinion or action. Without that you could be rendered functionally illterate.

    Would you like your leader to have opinions as to how to run the country if they were not based on any facts?

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  4. CCJ is laughable. Big shot lawyers like Anthony ASS-taphan, Kenny's own personal bulldog who has opposing councils and justices alike cowering in his presence will have a field day. At least with the Privy council there was some level of impartiality and lack of fear or favor. Not so with the CCJ. Mario Mitchel might be a justice sitting on the CCJ. Imagine if a matter were to come up for appeal which pitted UWP against SLP. His ability to be fair and impartial may be questioned. Bigger countries such as Trinidad may themselves be able to exert unfair pressure on justices.I say leave the Privy Council as our final court of appeal.

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  5. But Ferdinand, in an invited comment, told SNO: “It is very sad that … we cannot have faith or trust in the unbiasness of Caribbean citizens in running the Caribbean Court of Justice. That is very sad.” “…We really need our leaders and individuals in the Caribbean who are of prominence to be very objective in their approach to Caribbean Community,” he further stated. Ferdinand also noted that he believes in the principles of democracy and that the people should be given an opportunity to decide whether they want the CCJ. “We should look at or weigh the benefits of going to the people as opposed to taking a political decision or court decision to not go through a referendum…,” he said.
    Above is what the president had to say on the subject. Come on people stop being so critical of him. Don't see what is so wrong with his opinion on the subject.

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  6. Notice again that the PM's only reason for not going to referendum was that it would save time and money. Wouldn't hiring management consultants, Vision Commision, Astephane, Lawyers for Grynberg case to name a few all save us time and money?

    So what are the real motives behind the eagerness to establish this court? You reason for yourself.

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  7. What would have CCJ decided on the error in the Constution issue? Can we have this decision appealed to the Privy Council? Anyone, in the name of citizens?

    One thing i know which is clear is that the PM has already used his smarts on you. He made the case in the form of a question to the Court of Appeal. Therefore the Court of appeal can only answer as to its opinion on the matter (since the judgement was highly opinionated and deviod of law, check the dessenting opinion's legal content). It may be that the decision cannot be appealed to the higher authority which is the Court of Appeal since it is only a question. Later he would just decide to implement the opinion. I would say very bright in the use of his skills as a constitutional lawyer in the persuit of political and other power but calculated reluctance to fixing the constitution of the country to benefit us all.

    This young chap is only doing as he was told. Sorry young lad that you had to get involved. Notice that he hasn't offered any shred of a reason for his decision.

    The only thing he said is that we have to learn to TRUST. Remember that trust is not one suited man. It is developed based on a previous pattern of behavior. What has been our regional leader's pattern of behavior in order for us to trust them?

    With the way that they have handled our economies, social issues, OECS unity, our security what seems to be the consensus? Fundamentally what have they done RIGHT?

    Do Whats Right, young man go do some research and apply that to the decisions that you make and don't align yourself to wise guys without investigation. You might kill your career before it has even started.

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  8. Ferdinand, be quiet. You are speaking with al the naivety of youth. I was like you at 18, now in 30s and much wiser. A healthy democrat is highly suspicious of politicians because they always have an ulterior motive.

    Everyone with a modicum of intelligence can see what the real agenda is - to start up some kangaroo court. Our very own 'constitutional lawyer' (who breaks it himself) will be on the bench! MARK MY WORDS

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    • This rant is based on a biased agenda! You have, in essence, insinuated that Mr. Ferdinand is not capable of making an intelligent decision on this matter and therefore he does not have a "modicum of intelligence". In the same breath you speak of "democrat".

      So, is it not his right (democratic even) to express his views on this matter? Now, whether you agree with it or not is another matter. So, you alone have this right to articulate your rants (and I do mean rant) that doesn't, in any way, shed light on this issue?

      Additionally, if you do have evidence regarding "our constitutional lawyer" will seat on the bench, please provide it! Else, keep your rant to yourself. The Mad Cow has spoken!

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  9. The youth should not be following people like you with this irresponsible statement you are making while you purport to be representing their interest. A happy day in hell when this CCJ comes on stream. Even the Judgement on this issue is wrong.....How can a Constitution have an error......Hitler also had his PHD's to justify his actions. So a kangaroo court is in order.......The same people trying to establish the CCJ are circumventing the constitution by asking a Judge to say it has an error. In in fact there is an error why not follow the mechanism within the Constitution to correct the error....Referendum..... the No respect for the rule of law First Fix the ECCOOURT. the establish CCJ.

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    • La La Land. Based on English precedent a constitution can have an error. its a simple typographical error. Perhaps you should take the time to read the Court of Appeal Judgment itself. I think the biggest error being made is that persons of both sides take positions without informing themselves of the truth and it takes the discussion nowhere. To refer to the local court as kangaroo is ingorant and ill informed when even members of the Privy council hold it in high esteem. Its a shame that opinions like yours persist when clearly no research is done. The biggest problem with our country is that we have become too quick to bring ourselves down out of ignorance. The country cannot continue to grow its legal system by relying on an institution which the people have little access to.

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  10. There is the fear of partialness and the way these regional PM operates I do not think it a good idea.

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  11. Ferdinand is singing for his meal. He knows that he is just occupying a seat. What a waste of youth

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    • I think you would do better calling elections for NYC. You are a complete waste of our time. The price of everything is going up and apparently talk is still cheap, maybe they should start making people pay VAT on words, then you would shut up.

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  12. Those inexperienced and all-wet-behind-the- ears know something about respect due with reference to the authority of a national constitution? Since when and when last have any of those soft heads have said or done anything constructive about anything which has had lasting impact? What a bunch of jokers these! Young fellow, please don't make me laugh. That performance needs a veritable circus as a backdrop.

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    • That CCJ debate is not for the faint hearted. I suspect a lot of those who are for CCJ in its current form, don't fully understand the argument for the proper execution of justice in the Caribbean that is being made.It's almost as if they are saying we should accept CCJ blindly. If you are an intelligent and inform individual you can never take such a position. Just because it is called the Caribbean Court of Justice don't mean that it is all good and we should embrace it. I agree with LPM and others who have said that we must beware of the motive of people like Kenny and his gang. You can't accept justice that is tinted and I agree.

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